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Alright tar i have a curve ball. 24 replies

Gemz said on: 2006-11-07 06:19 pm
4363 Days, 16 Hrs, 18 Min, 40 Sec ago
Tell me why the hell it done this.

I sent 1200 tanks both times. These battle reports are in order.

Battle Report
You attacked: Bienno24 of Fasci State of Glasgow
Weather Conditions: Partly Cloudy

Attack Outcome: Victory!
Attack Summary
As stands you've won 27 and lost 73 battle(s)

Your Casualties:
You lost 344 Tanks

Bienno24 Casualties:

Battle Information:
You took 3 unit(s) of land from Bienno24
Collateral damage resulted in 4220 civilians deaths

Battle Report
You attacked: Bienno24 of Fasci State of Glasgow
Weather Conditions: Partly Cloudy

Attack Outcome: Defeat
Attack Summary
As stands you've won 27 and lost 74 battle(s)

Your Casualties:
You lost 0 Guerrilla
You lost 648 Tanks
You lost 0 Ships
You lost 0 Planes
You lost 0 Submarines

Bienno24 Casualties:
Bienno24 lost 0 Guerrilla
Bienno24 lost 240 Tanks
Bienno24 lost 0 Ships
Bienno24 lost 0 Planes
Bienno24 lost 0 Submarines

Your pathetic force was mopped up by Bienno24.
Your strike was ineffective to say the least. No further battle information to report.

Now tell me, why the hell didnt he lose any tanks on the first attack, but when i made the second one he lost takes after mopping me up.

Tell me what is wrong with this picture please.
I may not know alot about this system, but this is i love you ed up. Even in "real life".

[Added at 11/07/2006 19:21:06 by Gemz]
Jesus i hate this filiter lol

[Added at 11/07/2006 19:25:09 by Gemz]
tanks, not takes :)

[Added at 11/07/2006 19:25:33 by Gemz]
jesus did it twice
TotalKaosE said on: 2006-11-07 06:21 pm
4363 Days, 16 Hrs, 17 Min, 33 Sec ago
its called millitary readyness
Gemz said on: 2006-11-07 06:22 pm
4363 Days, 16 Hrs, 16 Min, 14 Sec ago
No its not, He would have lost tanks because I won the battle. He didnt lose ANYTHING.

On the second attack i had less readiness, but somehow his tanks poofed back from la-la land and mopped me up.

I and i did send 1200 tanks on both attacks.

[Added at 11/07/2006 19:22:50 by Gemz]
And no, he isnt online.

[Added at 11/07/2006 19:27:11 by Gemz]
And dont blame it on defensive allinces.

Because he would have lost tanks on the first battle too.
TotalKaosE said on: 2006-11-07 06:26 pm
4363 Days, 16 Hrs, 11 Min, 43 Sec ago
hummm i dont know then....
Jing said on: 2006-11-07 06:31 pm
4363 Days, 16 Hrs, 6 Min, 47 Sec ago
might be cause of a bug
Alex said on: 2006-11-07 06:37 pm
4363 Days, 16 Hrs, 1 Min, 36 Sec ago
Because it is Tar new battle system that represent real life!


Aren't we playing a game? XD
IronSinew (Admin) said on: 2006-11-07 06:42 pm
4363 Days, 15 Hrs, 56 Min, 34 Sec ago
Not a curve ball. It's actually quite easy to answer.

Being mopped up entails the following:

x% of troops lost from failed attack

Defender -
y% of troops lost based on the x% of units lost

I said I hadn't added a zero check yet, hence why some have gotten negative units.

I'll add a zero safety net to it later tonight more than likely. If you want to report a bug (or something you think is a bug), email it to me. Instead of whining about it in the forums for days on end. One will annoy me and more than likely get you warning(s)/banned, and the other will get a thank you, with a fix.

ChaoticLaw said on: 2006-11-07 06:47 pm
4363 Days, 15 Hrs, 50 Min, 45 Sec ago
For those of you who didn't get the picture, if you email him you will get banned. Whinning will get the fix. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
TotalKaosE said on: 2006-11-07 06:48 pm
4363 Days, 15 Hrs, 50 Min, 22 Sec ago
this new attack system sucks tar
AK47 said on: 2006-11-07 07:15 pm
4363 Days, 15 Hrs, 23 Min, 28 Sec ago

ditto...i would like to see it changed back, if not re-done. the new attack system is killing the fun!...well for me anyway.
Gemz said on: 2006-11-07 09:04 pm
4363 Days, 13 Hrs, 33 Min, 57 Sec ago

When its fixed let us know, because right now im with the above 2.

And your warning.

Its kinda funny.

I got a good one.

"Dont fix working things"

[Added at 11/07/2006 22:08:14 by Gemz]
Actualy no.

It does suck all the way around...

But it wont be changed so screw it.

Why does it suck, because the more you make this game real life. The worse off it really gets.

Some things are good, some perfect, other things are just bad.

LagunaCid said on: 2006-11-08 12:47 am
4363 Days, 9 Hrs, 51 Min, 28 Sec ago
Im loving this attack system D:
Abolisher said on: 2006-11-08 06:58 am
4363 Days, 3 Hrs, 40 Min, 21 Sec ago
So, just to clarify, did Bienno lose any tanks? i.e. after the attack, did his tanks go in the negative? or did they remain at 0?
Gemz said on: 2006-11-08 07:51 am
4363 Days, 2 Hrs, 46 Min, 58 Sec ago
how the hell am i spose to know :P

all i know is that he didnt lose tanks on the first attack that i won, but then he lost tanks on the second attack that i lost.
Ayanami said on: 2006-11-08 09:22 am
4363 Days, 1 Hr, 16 Min, 6 Sec ago
bieno had like 0 tanks, so gemz got through easily.. then gemz's readiness died and he lost against whatever bieno had left Gs, subs etc..

the mop up calculation means even if you have 0 of a troop then you lose a percentage of the defending troop regardless of if you actually have any o_o'

this is because the other troops suddenly morph into tanks transformer style and defend :P
Gemz said on: 2006-11-08 11:40 am
4362 Days, 22 Hrs, 58 Min, 16 Sec ago
Well if thats why i have 3 words.

Fix it please :)

You may use my account to have ANY testing done.

Attack/attack me/allainces, military.

I dont care :P
Ilidan said on: 2006-11-08 01:24 pm
4362 Days, 21 Hrs, 14 Min, 18 Sec ago
I understand that perhaps Bienno's other (non-tank) units may have "mopped up"....but should he not have lost other units then? A battle has still occured.
IronSinew (Admin) said on: 2006-11-08 01:41 pm
4362 Days, 20 Hrs, 56 Min, 51 Sec ago
To answer the questions:

Q: Did bienno go negative tanks?
A: Yes, if he had zero or less tanks than the amount lost.

Q: Is it fixed now?
A: Yes. If a loss penalty is greater than the amount of units owned by a defender, then the units owned are lost. No more negatives.

Q: If I attacked with my tanks, defender has 0 but I get mopped up by his other forces, shouldn't something else die?
A: Possibly, I may add in something like that. Make the losses a weight value that needs to be met by other units that did the mopping. But if you get mopped up by units that you're not attacking with .. it was pretty pathetic in the first place due to the reduced defend power they are worth (DP is used to calculate the chance of being mopped up).

Q: Was the new battle changes still in "beta" stages and Tar was watching what happened for further changes?
A: Yes. There have been some tweaks to it continually since it was added. Stop crying, no one ever implements changes seamlessly for anything.

HotdogMan said on: 2006-11-08 01:43 pm
4362 Days, 20 Hrs, 55 Min, 0 Sec ago
if that is how it works, the whole transformer thing. witch is how i understood it basicaly. he should lose units that fought with the tanks.

more realisticly bieno should have lost a few tanks+a few whatever other units that he had. he only lost tanks tho. how likely is it in a battle w that much artillery in it that not a singl gar is lost?

[Added at 11/08/2006 14:44:50 by HotdogMan]
fixed while i was posting aparently. -.-
Hellraiser said on: 2006-11-14 12:55 am
4357 Days, 9 Hrs, 43 Min, 7 Sec ago
Maybe SeanM implented a "hand-of-god" feature that rained down on your blasphemous units, Gemz?

Just a thought -.-
Gemz said on: 2006-11-14 01:06 pm
4356 Days, 21 Hrs, 31 Min, 47 Sec ago
most likely
Sal said on: 2006-11-14 01:37 pm
4356 Days, 21 Hrs, 52 Sec ago
Well I might sound stupid but i'm still not sure WHEN the new attack system kicks in and WHEN the old attack system kicks in.

Is there any way we can know before attacking?
IronSinew (Admin) said on: 2006-11-14 03:53 pm
4356 Days, 18 Hrs, 45 Min, 37 Sec ago
You're right sal, you do sound stupid. Not only because I've explained it six times in 24 threads .. but because you're stupid.

Gemz said on: 2006-11-15 08:00 am
4356 Days, 2 Hrs, 38 Min, 1 Sec ago
ehhh, i hope you messing around.

Otherwise your just an ass.

[Added at 11/15/2006 14:53:30 by Gemz]
Ya know, the more and more i look at that it bugs me.

You disrespected 2 people in two differnt threads. One of them being a mod and the other one being shady. (could have been anyone for that matter) You should really stop being a prick if you actualy wanna run a site and see more then 4 new people show up every year...
WARBEAST said on: 2006-11-16 04:01 am
4355 Days, 6 Hrs, 37 Min, 23 Sec ago