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The Most Respected Clan... 62 replies

Jing said on: 2009-08-10 12:11 am
3050 Days, 19 Hrs, 6 Min, 34 Sec ago
It's been a long time since we have any sort of vote...
I mean at all.
So let's have one now.

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In your long or short career as a humble member of the proud, the great, and the glorious NetNexus community, which clan do you think is the most respected in the long and exciting history of this site.

One vote per member!

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My vote goes to the epic clan of IC.
Because I love their cookies.
And if I don't, Korgy will cry :(
XSquad said on: 2009-08-10 06:44 am
3050 Days, 12 Hrs, 32 Min, 44 Sec ago
True-X
TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-08-10 08:26 am
3050 Days, 10 Hrs, 51 Min, 20 Sec ago
Avengers
DrakenRahl said on: 2009-08-10 09:31 am
3050 Days, 9 Hrs, 46 Min, 37 Sec ago
X.
Nataku said on: 2009-08-10 12:15 pm
3050 Days, 7 Hrs, 1 Min, 51 Sec ago
Avengers
XSquad said on: 2009-08-10 12:58 pm
3050 Days, 6 Hrs, 19 Min, 13 Sec ago
Avengers:2
X:2
IC:1
Roughrider said on: 2009-08-10 02:02 pm
3050 Days, 5 Hrs, 15 Min, 8 Sec ago
Avengers
Elmy said on: 2009-08-10 03:11 pm
3050 Days, 4 Hrs, 5 Min, 47 Sec ago
Spyder.
Meroy said on: 2009-08-10 04:58 pm
3050 Days, 2 Hrs, 19 Min, 26 Sec ago
x
Killer_MJ said on: 2009-08-10 05:48 pm
3050 Days, 1 Hr, 28 Min, 52 Sec ago
Inner Circle
AK47 said on: 2009-08-10 07:23 pm
3049 Days, 23 Hrs, 54 Min, 37 Sec ago

X

at the end of the day, you cant knock the clan's history of dominating every aspect of the game; from winning rounds, alt ranks, point ranks to warring the best of the best, to supporting clan members and having uber loyalty to allies.

DannyFo (Mod) said on: 2009-08-10 08:26 pm
3049 Days, 22 Hrs, 50 Min, 58 Sec ago
SS
AK47 said on: 2009-08-11 04:27 am
3049 Days, 14 Hrs, 50 Min, 10 Sec ago

wow...i forgot about SS!! =O

...still say X! =P
DaisukeNiwa said on: 2009-08-11 09:32 am
3049 Days, 9 Hrs, 45 Min, 26 Sec ago
X.
IronSinew (Admin) said on: 2009-08-11 11:05 am
3049 Days, 8 Hrs, 12 Min, 15 Sec ago
I laughed at Spyder.. but everyone knows by far the Homestarmy. Fear the Homestarmy .. TODAY! (Or maybe The System)

~Iron
Vallon said on: 2009-08-11 11:59 pm
3048 Days, 19 Hrs, 18 Min, 25 Sec ago
When I first join up on this site Liquid Endeavor and Frontline where hot poo poo and I forever will think of those guys as the best. They made me interested in this game. Plus Frontlines flag kicked ass; I vote them.
TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-08-12 03:31 pm
3048 Days, 3 Hrs, 45 Min, 47 Sec ago
Front line was pretty solid.


I joined back in the day as well.

Awoir Rev Me you i think are the only standing members. (I might be wrong)
ShadowLord69 said on: 2009-08-12 06:46 pm
3048 Days, 31 Minutes, 37 Seconds ago
IC no doubt is definetly the most respected clan.
Jing said on: 2009-08-13 06:13 am
3047 Days, 13 Hrs, 4 Min, 2 Sec ago
Okay, so far we got...

X: 5 Votes.
Avengers: 3 Votes.
Inner Circle: 3 Votes.
FrontLine: 1(2?) Vote.
Spyder: 1 Vote.
SoulSlayer: 1 Vote.
Homestarmy: 1 Vote.

Anyone got more opinion on this matter? Or want to use their votes? Cause I'm sure there are a lot more people on this site...
However, if not, then we can conclude that X is currently the most respected clan.
As reluctant as I am to say...
PFC-Hepburn said on: 2009-08-13 06:23 am
3047 Days, 12 Hrs, 53 Min, 56 Sec ago
X..... when are they coming back anyhow?

[Added at 08/13/2009 07:24:23 by PFC-Hepburn]
Erm, I might have to withdraw my X vote and say IC.

:) X isn't even around anymore but yet IC still thrives. Love it.
Jing said on: 2009-08-13 06:40 am
3047 Days, 12 Hrs, 37 Min, 2 Sec ago
I heard talks of it coming back a couple weeks back.
It's a pretty solid hunch that X will be back in a round or three.
_ElessaR_ said on: 2009-08-13 07:49 am
3047 Days, 11 Hrs, 28 Min, 21 Sec ago
IC gets my vote.
AK47 said on: 2009-08-13 08:08 am
3047 Days, 11 Hrs, 8 Min, 56 Sec ago

elessar gets my vote! =O

XSquad said on: 2009-08-13 04:03 pm
3047 Days, 3 Hrs, 14 Min, 33 Sec ago
Jing is right :S
Goliath said on: 2009-08-13 05:26 pm
3047 Days, 1 Hr, 51 Min, 20 Sec ago
I have no choice but to pick two.

Avengers, for the outstanding conduct of their members over the years. (Thunderbolt in particular is a player I'll always remember fondly.)

True X, for providing me and my clan with consistent and strong competition round after round. Racing players such as Thebest in the tech rankings was always great fun.
LagunaCid said on: 2009-08-13 07:57 pm
3046 Days, 23 Hrs, 20 Min, 0 Sec ago
IC obviously.
Any other answer is obviously sarcastic
DoAlCa said on: 2009-08-13 11:36 pm
3046 Days, 19 Hrs, 41 Min, 16 Sec ago
Avengers
Kazoany said on: 2009-08-14 11:54 am
3046 Days, 7 Hrs, 23 Min, 13 Sec ago
My vote goes to.... Avengers
ChaoticLaw said on: 2009-08-15 05:04 am
3045 Days, 14 Hrs, 13 Min, 6 Sec ago
Let's put it this way, no one ever has anything bad to say about IC, so it's obvious.


Vikings, er....I mean...IC!!!
AK47 said on: 2009-08-15 12:43 pm
3045 Days, 6 Hrs, 33 Min, 55 Sec ago

LMFAO...good one CL!
Jing said on: 2009-08-17 03:27 am
3043 Days, 15 Hrs, 50 Min, 25 Sec ago
Looks like we have a tie...
Current score.

X: 6 Votes.
Inner Circle: 6 Votes.
Avengers: 5 Votes.
FrontLine: 1(2?) Vote.
Spyder: 1 Vote.
SoulSlayer: 1 Vote.
Homestarmy: 1 Vote.

No matter how awesome Goliath may be, he only gets one vote as well :P
Either X gets his vote or AC.
ChaoticLaw said on: 2009-08-17 07:34 am
3043 Days, 11 Hrs, 43 Min, 34 Sec ago
Since IC was the winner last time, I think a tie goes to the incumbent.

Goliath wanted his vote to got to AC =P
Goliath said on: 2009-08-17 03:41 pm
3043 Days, 3 Hrs, 36 Min, 32 Sec ago
Jing, I actually didn't notice you were keeping a tally when I wrote my post. I wasn't trying to cheat. =)

I would have to say Avengers. In my mind, X was the most skilled clan, but Avengers was the clan I respected the most because of their conduct.
Stoutn said on: 2009-08-17 09:12 pm
3042 Days, 22 Hrs, 5 Min, 5 Sec ago
AC

Great Clan with good players

;)
BloodyPoint (Vip) said on: 2009-08-19 04:35 am
3041 Days, 14 Hrs, 42 Min, 39 Sec ago
-Avengers-
Bubble_dees said on: 2009-08-19 10:15 am
3041 Days, 9 Hrs, 2 Min, 32 Sec ago
Avengers!
Deano-Wales said on: 2009-08-19 12:27 pm
3041 Days, 6 Hrs, 50 Min, 37 Sec ago
I agree, in part, with CL, i.e. "Vikings, er....I mean...Vikings!!!"

Vikings for me.







Oh OK Avengers
ChaoticLaw said on: 2009-08-20 03:43 am
3040 Days, 15 Hrs, 34 Min, 40 Sec ago
lol hey Deano. Are you still playing or just stopping in for a visit?
BmXbrigade said on: 2009-08-20 05:59 am
3040 Days, 13 Hrs, 18 Min, 27 Sec ago
Sado Masochists. Hands down the most straight edge and honorable clan ever. *cracks whip and tightens the chains on moonshine*
Jing said on: 2009-08-20 09:28 pm
3039 Days, 21 Hrs, 49 Min, 6 Sec ago
Current results...

Avengers: 8 Votes.
X: 6 Votes.
Inner Circle: 6 Votes.
FrontLine: 1(2?) Vote.
Spyder: 1 Vote.
SoulSlayer: 1 Vote.
Homestarmy: 1 Vote.
Vikings: 1 Vote.
Sado Masochist: 1 Vote.

AC comes back at the end.
Leading with 2 votes.

I think I'm going to wait until the end of this round to conclude this.
By then, everyone should have gotten a look at this thread already.
True_Highwind said on: 2009-08-20 10:19 pm
3039 Days, 20 Hrs, 57 Min, 52 Sec ago
Let me respond to this thread with a simple qurrey: Of the clans mentioned above, and those not, which clan has survived the test of time?

Asnwer this question, and you have found the true answer to this poll.

Any clan that can live throughout the onset of a game, and continue to live 10+ years later, has respect that cannot be compaired too; except by clans who can boast the same acolayde, of which there is none.
Jing said on: 2009-08-22 09:58 am
3038 Days, 9 Hrs, 19 Min, 5 Sec ago
Nice, but what you're saying is this thread is obsolete.

My rebuttal...
Your argument is flawed.
This is the vote for most respected clan, not a search for the oldest or the best, though there would be many debates for either category.

Respect for a clan comes from the heart of the community, gained or lost by their members through a series of deeds or misdeeds, not freely given away through the passage of time.
It does not work that way.

As the quote goes, respect cannot be learned, purchased or acquired, it can only be earned.

For example.
One cannot automatically respect a stranger simply because s/he is old and wrinkly, you have to get to know them first and so forth before even an ounce could be spared.

So the voting continues.
Highwind, I'm going to assume you voted for IC unless you say otherwise, but AC is still winning by a single vote... I think.
AK47 said on: 2009-08-22 07:28 pm
3037 Days, 23 Hrs, 49 Min, 4 Sec ago

i happen to agree with jing.
SilverSurfer said on: 2009-08-23 12:25 am
3037 Days, 18 Hrs, 52 Min, 37 Sec ago
I think the meaning of this got misinterpreted from "Who is the most respected" to "Who is the best".

Easily, IC. Next Avengers. Simply because of longevity. Next would be DC. But X? Definitely in the top two best of all time. But does anyone remember the leagues of enemies X has built up over the years? Definitely not the most respected. However it is quite possible to respect your enemies, so who knows. lol
True_Highwind said on: 2009-08-23 12:37 pm
3037 Days, 6 Hrs, 40 Min, 14 Sec ago
Althougth I respect yoru opinion Jing, your rebutle itself is flawed to a degree.

You are right in the fact that respect is earned and not given simply for being around, however, I have a question to put too you with reagrds to this.

Can a clan survive for so long if it is not respected?

I am aware that question can be answered both positivly and negitivly. A clan can survive simply cause it is an infamus clan, something I am sure we all have seen at one time or another.

The point I was makeing was that The Inner Circle has survived, and thrived, for so long due to the respect people have for it. Due to that fact, compairing it too others is rather unfair, and in reality a jinxed race!

Furthermore, most people will vote for the clan they are in as "most respected," as they too are biased! Some people will look at the bigger picture to answer the question truthfully (too them), but, the majority will not. That is not a comment of matureity, it is a fact of human nature. Most of us go with our gut feelings rather then our rational thinking.
Jing said on: 2009-08-23 07:14 pm
3037 Days, 3 Minutes, 18 Seconds ago
Can a clan survive for so long if it is not respected?

Answer: Yes.
-Hoieri- is a very old clan, but until recently, Hehe and crackerjack were the only active members in the clan.
Hoieri easily survived as long as any clan I know, but while the clan itself is not very respected, Hehe have a very good reputation as loyal blood.

IC also happens to have a set of loyal members. ChaoticLaw, MJ, Sweety...
Vodka and Korgy were both former mods, which meant they are long term players and very loyal ones to boot.
That alone help help clan numbers to at least 5, if not more.

However, as I said before, if time alone makes a respected clan, or in your correction, survival, then I have yet another rebuttal.

X.

While I dislike X, the clan have survived through a long passage of time, most say it rivals IC's history, only more glorious.

Many players that were anybody in this site was once in X, top players like Jeany, Thebest, AK, and so forth. BC and Loki were/are mods as well, countering IC's Vodka and Korgy.

Regardless of how they achieved it, their ranks once numbered in the hundreds and dominated the top 50, dominated the first rank, and dominated alt rankings.

While most clans were dwindling at 5 or 6 members, X rarely have less than 10 and that was when they were on a slump.

As SS said, X have made a number of foes, some that made clans with the goal of going directly against it. Yet, X continues to mass who they want, crushed their opponents, and while such foes eventually disappeared, X survive.

While I haven't a foggiest about the IC of the past, IC of today is quite dull compared to the most recent incarnation of X.

The only reason X died was because the original members, players who have not played this game in ages and think they know the best, came back and decided it was time for X to die, despite having a set of very loyal players who are devoted to its revival as we speak.

This would not be possible if X were not respected now, right? By their own members at the very least.

Another rebuttal.

People who voted for their own separate clan have a right to.
Which clan they like, which clan they think is the most important, or in this case, which clan is the most respected.

It is all their opinion, one they have every right to make.

You have to understand, most people did NOT join IC. Most of them know IC as what they have heard from other people and by their ethnics in the forums/chat.

If people could always look at the bigger picture instead of their 'biased' and narrowed view, then we wouldn't be humans now, would we?
Better yet, war wouldn't even exist.

What you are trying to do is to force your belief on other people.
While I do indeed think IC is the most respected clan (Despite some recent flops), I also think you are being far from fair here.

Final words.

Yes.
IC is the first clan and the oldest clan. We all know it and we all respect that, but as I said before, old or first does not automatically means respect or the best.

So stop throwing the title around and expect people to agree with your equally biased views.

In my opinion, even if everyone does look at the bigger picture, I'm sure you'll still say they're being biased when they do not agree what you say.

You'll just have to accept that some, or most people have different views than you.
To do anything else is being childish.

As I said before...
Respect for a clan comes from the heart of the community, gained or lost by their members through a series of deeds or misdeeds, not freely given away through the passage of time.
Or in this case, survival itself.

If you must continue this debate, Highwind, then you best provide some examples why IC is the most respected.

What has it done in its longevity? What are its achievement? What has it done that stands out amongst all other?

Everyone else, the voting will continue until the end of the round and AC is still winning.
TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-08-23 09:00 pm
3036 Days, 22 Hrs, 17 Min, 25 Sec ago
Since you made your speech about being bias Jing, i also will be bias and withdraw my vote for AC, and vote DOMINATION.



lol :P
ChaoticLaw said on: 2009-08-24 09:54 am
3036 Days, 9 Hrs, 23 Min, 4 Sec ago
Holy crap it's Windy!!!

::faints::
AK47 said on: 2009-08-24 05:30 pm
3036 Days, 1 Hr, 47 Min, 30 Sec ago

i agree with jing (again).

LOL!
ChaoticLaw said on: 2009-08-25 03:51 am
3035 Days, 15 Hrs, 25 Min, 50 Sec ago
Here's the thing Jing, if respect was all about game results, then yes, X would probably be on top. However it is well known that X has used tactics that are dubious at best. Often people joined the clan in hopes of being able to get a win, but the leaders of the clan decided who would get the win and the rest of the clan was forced to do everything in their power to support that player. IC may not have been the powerhouse of rankings, but they never bent the rules.

As for your comment about 100 members. I'll remind you that at one time most of the established clans (X, IC, DC, etc) had 100 or so members. This only changed when the clan rankings came into effect. I don't think your point on this is very valid.

Comebacks. If I recall correctly X has disbanded and come back at least three times that I know of. Yes, this does show that there are always people willing to join the clan, but it also shows that without certain leaders, the clan can't survive. When you think about it though, there are other clans that could pull this off. If Windfall came back there would be instant clamour to restart FL, and they weren't even around for an entire year (at least I don't think they were). Actually, ICB could probably do it to, but not with as much fanfare as FL of course.

Yes, IC throws around being the most respected clan a lot. That is because last time this vote was taken we won. It's also something that we are very proud of (at least I am).

Just my two cents.
Jing said on: 2009-08-25 04:16 am
3035 Days, 15 Hrs, 1 Min, 16 Sec ago
ChaoticLaw, I just used X as an example, nothing else.

As a matter of fact, I hate X, but I also happens to know that there are a lot of people who respect it all the same.

I know how they got so many members and I also know first hand what tactics they used to win at the rankings, but it is their achievement. Depending on which view you look at it on, it could either earn respect or contempt.

There are many factors to everything, but Highwind simply said IC is the oldest clan, or have survived the longest, and so therefore, IC automatically win this debate.
Forget AC, Chattan, Fearrun, and so forth.
IC is the oldest and so it wins. Period.

I argued against his points by providing examples like X and Hoieri. I was just using knowledge that I have to make my own point. Hope there's no confusion.

And yes, I do happen to know that IC have won the last voting too. That's why this thread exist.
It has been years y'know :P
TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-08-25 06:50 am
3035 Days, 12 Hrs, 27 Min, 16 Sec ago
I loved ICB.



If you dont like ICB, you can get out!
True_Highwind said on: 2009-08-28 06:30 pm
3032 Days, 47 Minutes, 40 Seconds ago
Jing, if you will notice one thing, I never once said due to The Inner Circle being the oldest means it is the most respected. I simply said that due to its age, it cannot fairly be compaired too other clans.

The other clans you mentioned, (X, AC, Chattan, and Fearrun) do disirve respect, of that I do not question. However, my point is that they are on two different playing fields.

Of the clans you mentioned, and others in the past, the only clan that has consistantly survied once its leader/founder has retired, is The Inner Circle! Yes, X has come back, time and time again since its leader and founder (Cody, if memory serves me correctly) retired, however it has not STAYED INTACT, which is the point I am makeing.

And CL, I do not beleive that X ever made it too 100 members, though I could be mistaken. I remember that Dynasty was the first clan to achieve that number (how Chinaman lead his clan effectivly with over 150 members, but he did), followed by The Inner Circle.

I believe that the "clan ranking" system came into effect before X was created, if not shortly before. Wasn't it X that, shortly after the creation of the ranking system, insititued the "training clan" idea? (ICB :P)

Anyway, I got off topic. I do think I made my point however.
Jing said on: 2009-08-28 08:20 pm
3031 Days, 22 Hrs, 57 Min, 37 Sec ago
Stubborn, are you.

As I said before, there are many factors to everything. I also admitted that IC deserve some respect for its longevity, but I never said it deserve the most simply on that on point alone.

IC may be the oldest clan and IC may have survived where other clans fall, but what has it done? You have never answer me that.
As I've quoted, respect cannot be learned, purchased or acquired, it can only be earned.

AC, X, Chattan, and any clan in the history of Nations have all made many contributions to Nation, regardless of their age.

I have already said a lot about X, so I'll just said it gained its reputation and status by consistently winning round after round despite its competitions.

While I do not know Chattan well to make points, I do respect the clan to some extent.
In the past, it wars like a beast and can tech like one as well. For a time, with Pic to tech and Storm to war, Chattan was the only challenge to X, and then Nirvana when it came along.
In a way, it was a perfectly balanced clan.
While I did not support Storm's decision to merge it into IC, I suppose he knows best.

As Goliath said earlier, the members of Avengers have an excellent conduct.
When she make alliances, she keeps them. If someone wants help, she sends aid. If her allies is missing a member or two to stay rank, she even lends them some to stay afloat if she got some to spare.
AC do not go to war for the wrong reasons and their members look out for one another, just not in the level that X does.
Such actions deserve an unfathomably amount of respect, no?

Shall I add Nirvana? The clan that suddenly popped up and dominated the rankings WHILE in a war before leaving with a bang?
Or 7th Calvary. Once they targeted you, they stick to you like glue. Ask Domination why it disbanded last time. They simply love war.
Or how about Sado Masochists? SM has dominated and war its shares of rounds. Despite all odds(War with Nirvana), it remain standing still and just recently made a very impressive comeback.
Forget Devil Knights? Led by WeaponX, dominated the rankings for a time. War a few. Still made very bold headlines if you asked me.
I'm glad you mentioned DC so I don't have to.

But despite all their accomplishment, they are apparently in a 'different playing field' as Inner Circle, so much so that they can't even compared.
So.
Care to enlighten me on what it has done to deserve such respect?

What war has it fought?
What rounds has it won?
What aid has it given to its allies?

In other words...
What has it done to deserve respect other than being an old clan?
I truly doubt it is because of your 'honeyed words' and 'sharp tongue', Highwind.

Btw:

Your first post.

"Of the clans mentioned above, and those not, which clan has survived the test of time?

Asnwer this question, and you have found the true answer to this poll."

Your second post.

"Any clan that can live throughout the onset of a game, and continue to live 10+ years later, has respect that cannot be compaired too; except by clans who can boast the same acolayde, of which there is none."

Asnwer this question, and you have found the true answer to this poll."

There.
Your words, not mine.

[Added at 08/28/2009 21:20:34 by Jing]
I also said*
DeltaFlyer13 said on: 2009-08-28 09:51 pm
3031 Days, 21 Hrs, 25 Min, 46 Sec ago
I'm surprised no one brought up Dynasty yet. O_o

Meh.

Honestly, with members changing every year or so, the respect of clans fluctuates so much I honestly can't decide.

Plus, respect is such a broad term. Respect what? Their skills? Their "honour" (If such a thing exists in this game)? Their dedication? Their tight-knitness? Their warfare abilities?

[Added at 08/28/2009 22:53:54 by DeltaFlyer13]
P.S. Holy what did I just step in , Goliath's alive and active? Windy appearing out of nowhere? What's next, BigBrother making an appearance?
Goliath said on: 2009-08-28 11:00 pm
3031 Days, 20 Hrs, 17 Min, 36 Sec ago
Alive, yes. Active, uh... decidedly not. I won't play again unless Nations receives the major updates and changes it desperately needs. It's still as broken, exploitable, and uninteresting as it was when I left it 5 years ago.

Really, I just visit once in a while to say "hi".

As for the main topic, I think people are protesting and arguing too much. Chill, guys. =P