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Simple rant. 56 replies

Stormbringer said on: 2009-09-02 03:44 pm
3026 Days, 57 Minutes, 41 Seconds ago
Well, I thinks it's time for a few things to be said at this point. At first many thought The_Ones must be multies. Just because almost all their names include '_one' in the name. Yes, I can see where this will raise a red flag to many. I know from some experience that in many other onlines games / communities many groups ( clans, families, guilds, etc. ) share common names and / or themes. They must be multies as The_Ones all attack at same time or in timed waves. Hell, many clans I have been in or known here In Nations have used that tactic. URN, the Vikings, Chattan, 7th Cav, X, SM and others not listed I am sure have done so with timed attacks, waves and so on. It's just an effective attack strategy if done right. I believe Shady and other admins and mods have checked as thoroughly as they can and trust in their decision as it stands.
Maybe it's just the fact that The_Ones simply disrupted everyones rut here in Nations. Disrupted the status quo. It's pretty much a given of many to question any change in what they have become accustomed to in many things. At same time change for the sake of change is not always an alternative that works. It's really amusing that those whose cheese got moved ( from playing purely for tech to enduring attacks ) get upset about Nations being changed to a war game. The response seems to be to attack The_Ones and make war! Preposterous! How dare this become a war game....now lets make war on the war-mongers!Gotta love the irony.
The best perspective I use to explain this is simply respect. Yes, Nations is a war game AND tech level determines the winner. They both have their places here. While not all clans and all players will ever agree on strategies, styles yet alone if Nations is a war game OR a tech game. Just remember it's a game. We'll never all agree on everything in this little corner of the swamp called Nations. But maybe we can try to respect the many views that make this place the great 'lil hell hole it is to us. ;)
That is all....

Stoutn said on: 2009-09-02 04:31 pm
3026 Days, 10 Minutes, 31 Seconds ago
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IronSinew (Admin) said on: 2009-09-02 04:42 pm
3025 Days, 23 Hrs, 59 Min, 10 Sec ago
Stoutn, I love the eloquence you've illustrated and applaud your verbiage!

~IronSinew
TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-09-02 05:07 pm
3025 Days, 23 Hrs, 34 Min, 14 Sec ago
I think there is like 5 people that all play theses ONE accounts.


Considering a group of them alllllways get on at the sametime. Brascolee Peeble Kevingambino. Allmighty_one Crazy_one, Deadly_one

I havent been paying much attention to all this really, cause i have a life and dont sit here and wait for them to all long on, but that is what i have seen from poping on every now and then and also, checking their times of logs in the User search.
Jing said on: 2009-09-02 05:13 pm
3025 Days, 23 Hrs, 28 Min, 34 Sec ago
Actually, a lot of people don't hate the ONEs for bringing chaos.
They just don't like the idea of losing a war to a group of multies.

Personally, I love the ONEs.
I hope they stay a while, multies or not.
TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-09-02 05:31 pm
3025 Days, 23 Hrs, 10 Min, 44 Sec ago
Kevingambino of in the streets Last seen: 1 Days, 7 Hours, 13 Minutes, 18 Seconds ago


pebbles of oneorder Last seen: 1 Days, 7 Hours, 13 Seconds ago


brascolee of gaza_alliance Last seen: 1 Days, 7 Hours, 1 Minutes, 55 Seconds ago



Multis? Piss no, they arent!!

[Added at 09/02/2009 18:33:01 by TheWhiteDemon]
deadly_ONE of Tainted Peaks Last seen: 1 Hours, 13 Minutes, 0 Seconds ago


allmighty_ONE of Nation.Netnexus.Com Last seen: 1 Hours, 21 Minutes, 54 Seconds ago

fruithog of intimidation Last seen: 1 Hours, 16 Minutes, 23 Seconds ago
PFC-Hepburn said on: 2009-09-02 05:33 pm
3025 Days, 23 Hrs, 8 Min, 21 Sec ago
Yeah, what he said.
TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-09-02 05:45 pm
3025 Days, 22 Hrs, 56 Min, 27 Sec ago
Okay here we go, posted as to see groups, the ones i think that are the same people



Thecrazy_one of Thecrazy_one Last seen:
1 Days, 17 Hours, 55 Minutes, 26 Seconds ago



deadly_ONE of Tainted Peaks Last seen: 1 Hours, 13 Minutes, 0 Seconds ago


allmighty_ONE of Nation.Netnexus.Com Last seen: 1 Hours, 21 Minutes, 54 Seconds ago

fruithog of intimidation Last seen: 1 Hours, 16 Minutes, 23 Seconds ago


_________________________________________________


DeathLess_One of MONSTARZ
Last seen: 11 Hours, 49 Minutes, 2 Seconds ago

Faceless_one of Veradero
Last seen: 11 Hours, 48 Minutes, 39 Seconds ago


_________________________________________________

Powerful_ONE of Powerful_ONE
Last seen: 52 Seconds ago



TheperTheperfect_one of legendary_ones
Last seen: 3 Minutes, 56 Seconds ago



Tireless_ONE of Tireless_ONE
Last seen: 13 Minutes, 54 Seconds ago


Cashless_ONE of United States of Cash
Last seen: 33 Minutes, 24 Seconds ago


______________________________________________


The rest of them, i think are actually people that dont have multis. Or maybe they do, im no sure but they always log different them from the ones listed above. If you check the times on the ONES listed above, tomorrow, ill bet they are the same time again. Its like clock-work



Black_one of Alpha Ferengi
Last seen: 4 Hours, 3 Minutes, 54 Seconds ago


Dangerous_one of gaza
Last seen: 16 Hours, 52 Seconds ago


Fastest_ONE of Fastest_ONE
Last seen: 7 Hours, 5 Minutes, 55 Seconds ago


Mini695 of Hobbes
Last seen: 8 Hours, 18 Minutes, 39 Seconds ago


Soulless_ONE of Rhati
Last seen: 2 Hours, 54 Minutes, 13 Seconds ago


















[Added at 09/02/2009 19:02:43 by TheWhiteDemon]
Also, stop saying, "Oh they dont have the same IPs" Cause any idiot can hide their IP just fine.
WeaponX (Mod) said on: 2009-09-02 06:35 pm
3025 Days, 22 Hrs, 6 Min, 11 Sec ago
I'm with Jing on this one. It's fun. I love these ONE's and what they've brought back to the game, I just want to make 100% sure there is absolutly no cheating going on.
DrakenRahl said on: 2009-09-02 06:55 pm
3025 Days, 21 Hrs, 46 Min, 6 Sec ago
Thank you, Storm.
TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-09-02 07:22 pm
3025 Days, 21 Hrs, 19 Min, 27 Sec ago
And to further my accusations


Faceless_one of Veradero
Last seen: 4 Minutes, 36 Seconds ago



DeathLess_One of MONSTARZ Last seen: 7 Seconds ago




Still logging on at the sametime, everytime.
Mercy said on: 2009-09-02 07:25 pm
3025 Days, 21 Hrs, 16 Min, 41 Sec ago
hey WhiteDemon you missed me I am always online.

Mercy and Meroy....Hmmmm

Your complaining is making me sick....You must be a girl...

darn..

Facts : No matter what happen Nations community will always bash and hate these _one people.

Well said bro.
Stormy for SA of the year !!
AK47 said on: 2009-09-02 07:43 pm
3025 Days, 20 Hrs, 58 Min, 8 Sec ago

stormy...while this has been true in the past, (and you know i respect your opinion) i believe you are off a tad.

yes the ONES disrupted the game but so have other clans in the past and since being here (since wb days) i have not seen such a multi outcry.

thats one thing to come to a game site as a whole (clan, group, etc) and have similar names. its another when you login together ALL THE TIME and are offline together ALL THE TIME. unless each and every single acct player has NO LIFE whatsoever (work, school, other engagements), it is truly hard to believe.

thats where the dispute mainly kicks in.

with that said, again i will say, i think the ONES are great to have around. i am enjoying the game far more then normal and its a LONG overdue war (since the last real war i can recall was like 2 yrs ago).

the mods/admin can do their thing. the users of the game can do their thing. in the end, its w/e. thats why this is my first blunt response regarding the subject. (the ONES in specific...not the whole MULTI shoutout).

[Added at 09/02/2009 20:47:37 by AK47]

that and i agree with jing!! =P
Fastest_ONE said on: 2009-09-02 08:30 pm
3025 Days, 20 Hrs, 11 Min, 27 Sec ago
i'm 1 hour close to Mini, he might be my multi!
Ahso said on: 2009-09-02 08:39 pm
3025 Days, 20 Hrs, 2 Min, 12 Sec ago
oh no!!

don't let your times overlap or they will find out the truth!!

[Added at 09/02/2009 21:40:25 by Ahso]
oops.. almost forgot... nice one stormy...
BmXbrigade said on: 2009-09-02 08:52 pm
3025 Days, 19 Hrs, 49 Min, 9 Sec ago
I find amusing when people chime in that are not related to or barely have any information on the matter at hand.

I also think it's just a little strange, with all the hooplah surrounding this multy thing, that basically no one in question ever posts a rebuttle. I know no matter what game I play I atleast check the forums for it once in a while, especially a text based game where the only real gameplay is the politics of the players
Mercy said on: 2009-09-02 09:39 pm
3025 Days, 19 Hrs, 2 Min, 47 Sec ago
bmx if i was getting my ass kicked i would be silent too...lol
Meroy said on: 2009-09-03 12:28 am
3025 Days, 16 Hrs, 13 Min, 9 Sec ago
weeee Mercy and me are multies, dang, dont even know where hes from ^^
Deadly_ONE said on: 2009-09-03 07:11 am
3025 Days, 9 Hrs, 29 Min, 58 Sec ago
Well said Storm.

Very compelling evidence Whitedemon, I say ban them and while you are at it here is my list of multis grouped

ak47 of TEH GUN
Last seen: 29 Seconds ago

snowbird44 of flyhigh
Last seen: 10 Seconds ago

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thewhitedemon of I am a Yankee
Last seen: 11 Hours, 16 Minutes, 32 Seconds ago

_elessar_ of ~ GoD's C|0wN ~
Last seen: 10 Hours, 45 Minutes, 13 Seconds ago

weaponx of - X-raTed -
Last seen: 10 Hours, 50 Minutes, 58 Seconds ago

trunks316 of trunks316
Last seen: 10 Hours, 12 Minutes, 41 Seconds ago

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nataku of Pandora
Last seen: 16 Hours, 36 Minutes, 33 Seconds ago

muddy of MUD!!!!
Last seen: 16 Hours, 26 Minutes, 58 Seconds ago

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thruster of E=mc2
Last seen: 2 Hours, 47 Seconds ago

roughrider of roughrider
Last seen: 3 Hours, 8 Minutes, 2 Seconds ago

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These people I think are cool, until tommorrow when they log in similiar times (LOL)

cracker_jack of cracker_jack
Last seen: 15 Hours, 21 Minutes, 57 Seconds ago

meroy of Almighty Ground
Last seen: 3 Hours, 37 Minutes, 34 Seconds ago

xsquad of Planet X
Last seen: 1 Hours, 8 Minutes, 24 Seconds ago


It is simple BMX all the _ONES with the exception of Perfect and Fastest (who is not from Jamaica)
are grown a$$ adults late 20's to mid 30's. The level of conversation and the topics are simply not worthy of a response. Its mostly a bunch of kids wether by age or maturity that waste their time honoring themselves or sucking up to others trying to make friends.

I do read the forums and if there is something interesting it normally is brought to my attention by Tireless or Deathless but whats the point wasting time arguing with kids
AK47 said on: 2009-09-03 07:33 am
3025 Days, 9 Hrs, 8 Min, 39 Sec ago

yay...im a kiddie and a multi!! im lovin it!!

*logs into snowbird44*

MUHAHAHA!!!
CRACKER_JACK said on: 2009-09-03 07:34 am
3025 Days, 9 Hrs, 7 Min, 21 Sec ago
I'm cool, my mom told me this day would come!

Word of CRACKER
AK47 said on: 2009-09-03 07:44 am
3025 Days, 8 Hrs, 57 Min, 28 Sec ago

ak47 of TEH GUN
Last seen: 0 Seconds ago

deadly_one of Tainted Peaks
Last seen: 0 Seconds ago

...MULTIES!! =O

*bans*

[Added at 09/03/2009 08:45:01 by AK47]

Purchased 1/15863 Guerrilla for $50 from Deadly_ONE.
BmXbrigade said on: 2009-09-03 08:59 am
3025 Days, 7 Hrs, 42 Min, 45 Sec ago
obviously I do not expect any grown man to comment on whatever Nataku or any of the other spammers say. But I would think more than just 2 of you might have some interest in the nations draft, or thrown in their 2 cents on the multy matter.

As it stands I have only seen 3 of u post in the forums, out of the 14 or so in the clan. Especially since u obviously spend some time online, i know u cannot be effective in a war by just logging in twice a day to attack.

Even ur clan shout only had like 3 of u posting, seems a little odd u could have such loyal members that attack on such set intervals with no communication and seemingly less interest in the community.
Fastest_ONE said on: 2009-09-03 09:16 am
3025 Days, 7 Hrs, 25 Min, 40 Sec ago
maybe we just don't use our shootbox cause well you can see what we write.

i'd say, we use private message i don't know if you know what is it but it has made his proof and no one can see what we say. try it!
Deadly_ONE said on: 2009-09-03 09:17 am
3025 Days, 7 Hrs, 24 Min, 6 Sec ago
AK I am always online except for the 6hrs a day I sleep, if you closely scrutinize the log on times you will realise I am a multi of everybody, I have to admit it I am the one person controlling all nations accounts

...shoot why am I talking to myself... LOL

Now BMX these are the same retarded comments why I do not post in the forums, why the hell would we put important stuff in a shoutbox it is obvious the entire community has access to are you stupid?

Go ask the Admins how many in game messages Re war targets are sent and how necessary is that when I can send a free Blackberry message to them saying

'attack the $U#K out of BMX now his army is low'

The same phone can then be used to log on and attack, I hate repeating myself all this was already said 2 rounds ago

[Added at 09/03/2009 10:31:45 by Deadly_ONE]
Oh yes the draft, I didn't really read the Draft thread, didnt quite understand what it was about however I believe Jing was talking to Deathless about it, he did mention something to me so I will ask him to post about that later today when he gets off work.
Black_ONE said on: 2009-09-03 09:19 am
3025 Days, 7 Hrs, 22 Min, 2 Sec ago
LOL Silly Silly Silly.

You all need to go plant a tree and help the environment.

XSquad said on: 2009-09-03 09:50 am
3025 Days, 6 Hrs, 51 Min, 14 Sec ago
Fastest_ONE said on: 09/03/09 10:16 am
(25 Minutes, 40 Seconds ago)

Deadly_ONE (Vip) said on: 09/03/09 10:17 am
(24 Minutes, 6 Seconds ago)

Black_ONE said on: 09/03/09 10:19 am
(22 Minutes, 2 Seconds ago)



noobs.

[Added at 09/03/2009 10:53:48 by XSquad]
Plus I am whit Jing and WeaponX on what they said.


I like having the ONES around.

But I dislike it when cheating occurs on their side.

Maybe I am wrong but come on.. 3 Ones typing within 2-3 minutes in this post..


Get real.
ChaoticLaw said on: 2009-09-03 09:53 am
3025 Days, 6 Hrs, 48 Min, 39 Sec ago
See what you started Stormy?

ps - everyone is HicRic
Deadly_ONE said on: 2009-09-03 10:11 am
3025 Days, 6 Hrs, 29 Min, 54 Sec ago
So now it is official, deadly = fastest, black, crazy, fruithog, allmighty (did I leave out any)

by the way don't discriminate because the names end with ONE

AK47 (Vip) said on: 09/03/09 8:33 am
(2 Hrs, 31 Min, 28 Sec ago)

CRACKER_JACK said on: 09/03/09 8:34 am
(2 Hrs, 30 Min, 10 Sec ago)

multi's how dare you be online and post within 1 minute

LMFAO

PS. my IP isn't hidden

TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-09-03 10:12 am
3025 Days, 6 Hrs, 29 Min, 49 Sec ago
I stated my argument on there times ALWAYS ALWAYS MATCHING.


I didnt say, "Just cause this time". No it is because every single time one logs, the others that i grouped together, they log at the same exact time. And no time overlaps.


They always log at the same time.


[Added at 09/03/2009 11:13:50 by TheWhiteDemon]
And BTW you idiot, i never said "hide" your IP.

Any retard can mask
XSquad said on: 2009-09-03 10:41 am
3025 Days, 6 Hrs, 42 Sec ago
we arent discriminating you because of the ONE in your name. Read the friggin thread.
AK47 said on: 2009-09-03 11:17 am
3025 Days, 5 Hrs, 23 Min, 55 Sec ago

1st off...deadly, i control you. not vice-versa.

2nd...i told deathless about the draft, not jing.

3rd...err...uhh...yeahhhh!!! =P
Deadly_ONE said on: 2009-09-03 11:32 am
3025 Days, 5 Hrs, 9 Min, 33 Sec ago
agghhhh AK i'm the boss not you

ok I have spent my entire morning talking and explaining via forums and in game messaging to no avail which proves my point it makes no sense

AK we are cool even though you won't win another round while i'm here :) lol

WD is rude, which is why I probably will no longer respond to your messages, you wanted numbers, it seems atleast from the 4 ONES that came to chat that they are willing to give you their numbers but you weren't there (and you already have mine), as I said message them all in game and you will get it


I have done what I can to settle all talks of multis I will no longer read or post in this thread

AK message me about the Draft
AK47 said on: 2009-09-03 11:36 am
3025 Days, 5 Hrs, 5 Min, 25 Sec ago

seriously...i can win another round even if you "try" and screw me over. ive done it before.

ASK ABOUT MEH!! =P

and stop lying...you darn well know im the main acct in our multi-scheme.
DrakenRahl said on: 2009-09-03 12:18 pm
3025 Days, 4 Hrs, 23 Min, 24 Sec ago
I'm sorry, but Casey already hates me apparently so here we go, I just have to point out this which I found to be funny as hell.

"[Added at 09/02/2009 19:02:43 by TheWhiteDemon]
Also, stop saying, "Oh they dont have the same IPs" Cause any idiot can hide their IP just fine."

"[Added at 09/03/2009 11:13:50 by TheWhiteDemon]
And BTW you idiot, i never said "hide" your IP.

Any retard can mask"

That is all.
BmXbrigade said on: 2009-09-03 01:52 pm
3025 Days, 2 Hrs, 49 Min, 40 Sec ago
im not entirely sure why u guys get so mad at me, i merely voiced my concerns. and u in turn, called me a retard.
XSquad said on: 2009-09-03 06:08 pm
3024 Days, 22 Hrs, 33 Min, 21 Sec ago
-_-


this is totally going to end into a big NN war...



TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-09-03 06:27 pm
3024 Days, 22 Hrs, 14 Min, 18 Sec ago
Yes Draken i dont like you, and you just proved once again why.


Hide, Mask... difference?
Stormbringer said on: 2009-09-03 06:51 pm
3024 Days, 21 Hrs, 50 Min, 33 Sec ago
ChaoticLaw said on: 09/03/09 10:53 am
(8 Hrs, 37 Min, 33 Sec ago)
See what you started Stormy?

ps - everyone is HicRic
-----------

Well, sometimes you just have to take the stick and just whack the tar outta the hornets nest. :P
Oh, CL I meant to post that from your account....oh, maybe it was the Deano account. Hmmm, no maybe it was the Korgy account or was it the Ak47 one? We need to get this straight once and for all! ;)

ps - I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all HicRic together....



AK47 (Vip) said on: 09/02/09 8:43 pm
(22 Hrs, 47 Min, 2 Sec ago)

stormy...while this has been true in the past, (and you know i respect your opinion) i believe you are off a tad.
----------

See AK, I knew you'd get it! Opinions are like arseholes - everyone's got one! ;)

Note to AK / self....let's stay on same page with the accounts from now on!






AK47 said on: 2009-09-03 07:26 pm
3024 Days, 21 Hrs, 15 Min, 7 Sec ago

you got it AK!

[Added at 09/03/2009 20:27:00 by AK47]

opps...meant to say stormy!! =p
TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-09-03 07:31 pm
3024 Days, 21 Hrs, 10 Min, 24 Sec ago
Think about yourself much? lols
Goliath said on: 2009-09-03 07:56 pm
3024 Days, 20 Hrs, 45 Min, 30 Sec ago
Didn't we establish eons ago that everyone is HicRic's multi? I seem to recall there being forum threads about it. ;)
ChaoticLaw said on: 2009-09-03 10:46 pm
3024 Days, 17 Hrs, 54 Min, 58 Sec ago
I don't know what you're talking about Goliath, everyone most certainly is NOT me!

[Added at 09/03/2009 23:47:46 by ChaoticLaw]
er...I mean HicRic, everyone is most certainly not HicRic....yes....
PFC-Hepburn said on: 2009-09-03 10:57 pm
3024 Days, 17 Hrs, 44 Min, 11 Sec ago
Are you f'in serious.....
Peygan999 said on: 2009-09-04 02:04 am
3024 Days, 14 Hrs, 37 Min, 22 Sec ago
NN has gone completely schizophrenic.

Ah, home again......lol
Gray_Ghost said on: 2009-09-04 05:58 am
3024 Days, 10 Hrs, 42 Min, 53 Sec ago
the opening of Pandora's Box.
Hey, is Pandora good lookin' ? LOL
Way to go Storm!
Faceless_one said on: 2009-09-04 07:56 am
3024 Days, 8 Hrs, 45 Min, 0 Sec ago
who's asking about phone numbers well you can have mine 1876-4uc-kyou. I'm nobody's multi and so what if I log in the same time as others in my clan i'm my own man I do what I please when I please. Who says Deathless isn't in the cubicle next to mine at my "cotton picking" job. I'd rather be locked out of NN for been a prick who speaks his mind than being a multi. So to all my multi accusers GO @##$&^* YOUR %$#* AND *@*()*) ALL *)* @) YOUR (*)*)# #$*&*). Call me i'll translate.

[Added at 09/04/2009 10:09:02 by Faceless_one]
It's no fun being called a liar AK if you really want proof that i'm not a figment of Jings imagination private message me or any _ONE i'm sure you'll get our phone number.
AK47 said on: 2009-09-04 08:51 am
3024 Days, 7 Hrs, 49 Min, 53 Sec ago

how are we suppose to call you for translation if you wont give us your number? =P

way to kill the fun faceless!! =/
ChaoticLaw said on: 2009-09-04 10:09 am
3024 Days, 6 Hrs, 32 Min, 37 Sec ago
You pick cotton in a cubicle? Sounds intruiging, mind posting a pic??
PFC-Hepburn said on: 2009-09-04 10:57 am
3024 Days, 5 Hrs, 44 Min, 9 Sec ago
At least his owners grew it there and not anywhere else! Hah.

Now how is it again that they log in one after another? I forget?
Gray_Ghost said on: 2009-09-04 11:18 am
3024 Days, 5 Hrs, 23 Min, 30 Sec ago
reminds me of a song.
Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton, Old times there are not forgotten, look away, look away, look away, DIXIELAND!

YEEEHAH!
DrakenRahl said on: 2009-09-05 03:05 pm
3023 Days, 1 Hr, 36 Min, 39 Sec ago
Anyway else realize how rascit "Cotton Picking" is?

HicRic says don't be a rascit! Be a friend!

[Added at 09/05/2009 16:05:39 by DrakenRahl]
Errr.. I mean Draken!
TheWhiteDemon said on: 2009-09-05 03:22 pm
3023 Days, 1 Hr, 19 Min, 29 Sec ago
White.
Peygan999 said on: 2009-09-05 03:33 pm
3023 Days, 1 Hr, 8 Min, 30 Sec ago
I'm not a racist, and I love black jokes. I just don't really know many white jokes, I kinda thought any joke without the need to mention race was a white joke, actually....

*starts NN race war* ;)
Jing said on: 2009-09-05 04:42 pm
3022 Days, 23 Hrs, 59 Min, 49 Sec ago
White people can't dance.
Peygan999 said on: 2009-09-05 04:56 pm
3022 Days, 23 Hrs, 45 Min, 20 Sec ago
Thats a stereotype, different from a joke. Lots of technicalities with this crap. Though most stereotypes are, at least in some ways, true.

I've spent a lot of time defending my sense of humor, if you can't tell.... xP
ShadyKnight (Mod) said on: 2009-09-05 07:37 pm
3022 Days, 21 Hrs, 4 Min, 8 Sec ago
Good on you Stormy.