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Guess who's legal now? 127 replies

Fbg said on: 2010-03-08 08:31 pm
3203 Days, 3 Hrs, 15 Min, 57 Sec ago
I'm 18!
Jing said on: 2010-03-08 08:41 pm
3203 Days, 3 Hrs, 5 Min, 32 Sec ago
This is great news for our local pedophile.
Arch-Devil said on: 2010-03-08 09:03 pm
3203 Days, 2 Hrs, 43 Min, 52 Sec ago
Wouldn't it be bad news for a pedophile?

Happy Birthday!
Jing said on: 2010-03-08 09:12 pm
3203 Days, 2 Hrs, 34 Min, 45 Sec ago
Arch sure knows a lot about pedophiles...
Elmy said on: 2010-03-08 09:22 pm
3203 Days, 2 Hrs, 24 Min, 45 Sec ago
Wow. I remember when fbg was like, 13.

I feel old.
Breakyourself said on: 2010-03-08 09:43 pm
3203 Days, 2 Hrs, 3 Min, 28 Sec ago
lol yay, reminds me of this messege i got in my nations from a few years ago, no more 15 year old:O

Jing said on: 2007-04-10 20:08:19
Sent: 1063 Days, 2 Hours, 32 Minutes, 3 Seconds ago
<ShadowLord69> and fbg send dem hot 19-21 yr old chicks my ways :p

<ShadowLord69 ducks the kick>

ShadowLord69 left the room

<Jing (Vip)> lol

<Jing (Vip)> 16 or 17 year olds are more my style

<Fbg (Mod)> I'm 15!

<Fbg (Mod)> lol

<Fbg (Mod)> I've established who the best looking is on NN.

<Fbg (Mod)> Cruzader. HAhaHA

<Jing (Vip)> yeo

<Jing (Vip)> *yep

<Jing (Vip)> the start of a *beautiful relationship*

<Fbg (Mod)> No way.

<Jing (Vip)> denying means agreeing

<Jing (Vip)> aproving means accepting

<Fbg (Mod)> NO

<Jing (Vip)> jess and cruzader is sitting on a tree...

Jing was kicked from this room for 0 minutes

Joined room 'Nations'

<Jing (Vip)> k-i-s-s-i-n-g

<Jing (Vip)> first comes love


<Jing (Vip)> second comes marriage

<Jing (Vip)> third comes babies

Jing was kicked from this room for 4239857 minutes

<Jing (Vip) whispers> and they kissed everyday under a chestnut tree

Room: 'Nations' (4) - [Reply]
Stoutn said on: 2010-03-08 09:49 pm
3203 Days, 1 Hr, 57 Min, 43 Sec ago


[Added at 03/08/2010 21:57:50 by Stoutn]
I would be inclined to agree with Elmy on this one.
Space-Monkey said on: 2010-03-08 09:53 pm
3203 Days, 1 Hr, 53 Min, 55 Sec ago
Well, jess, happy birthday. I finally have a reason to move to georgia.

/me checks flight prices to athens
Jing said on: 2010-03-08 09:54 pm
3203 Days, 1 Hr, 53 Min, 1 Sec ago
*Look out the window and sigh*
Good times.
Gemz said on: 2010-03-09 12:02 am
3202 Days, 23 Hrs, 44 Min, 22 Sec ago
Just to make people aware. I shoot expert on the range.

What this means?

I can nail your head from 500 yards away standing and taking about 7 seconds to aim.
DrakenRahl said on: 2010-03-09 02:50 am
3202 Days, 20 Hrs, 56 Min, 21 Sec ago
lol I doubt that Gemz :)

Also, you'd be assuring that your sister would grow into a hell of a PTSD patient.

P.S. I forgot how much attention the female populist get.. I suppose when the title is as such.

[Added at 03/09/2010 02:53:37 by DrakenRahl]
My dad was beyond "expert" and was "sniper", not sure if they have the same rifling jargon as back in the day but it can't be much different.


[Added at 03/09/2010 02:54:43 by DrakenRahl]
^^ Was me proving I wasn't just talking sh*t. =p

P.P.S. I may as well.. So Jess.. How about this weekend, me and you? lol
SeniorUnloco said on: 2010-03-09 03:45 am
3202 Days, 20 Hrs, 1 Min, 34 Sec ago
Jaren cant hit the board side of the barn. :P

Oh and trust me, either way. Me and Jaren have, and will, kill people for less, and be awarded for it.

[Added at 03/09/2010 03:51:01 by SeniorUnloco]
PS I have been legal for 6 years ;)
Oracle said on: 2010-03-09 04:00 am
3202 Days, 19 Hrs, 46 Min, 33 Sec ago
lolololol i lolled at the last comment
Gemz said on: 2010-03-09 06:23 am
3202 Days, 17 Hrs, 23 Min, 54 Sec ago
ok maybe 10 seconds. But seriously i had 10 outta 10 headshots at the 500 yard range :)
GuildaMage said on: 2010-03-09 06:57 am
3202 Days, 16 Hrs, 49 Min, 9 Sec ago
Harder to hit moving targets and ill be in a car.

Jess~ Happy birthday, time for us to party in your birthday suit
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-03-09 07:12 am
3202 Days, 16 Hrs, 35 Min, 6 Sec ago
500 yard head shots taking 10 seconds to aim isn't that hot gemz.... (head shots being 8" spreads I assume)

What type of rifle you use?

[Added at 03/09/2010 07:18:30 by ShadowLord69]
Oops sorry thought it was 500 feet you said got yards/feet mixed up

early morning sucks :S

[Added at 03/09/2010 07:18:31 by ShadowLord69]
Oops sorry thought it was 500 feet you said got yards/feet mixed up

early morning sucks :S
AK47 said on: 2010-03-09 07:20 am
3202 Days, 16 Hrs, 26 Min, 37 Sec ago

happy bday jess!! =)
Stoutn said on: 2010-03-09 10:16 am
3202 Days, 13 Hrs, 30 Min, 38 Sec ago
Haha Gemz made me giggle

And Mike ^^
_ElessaR_ said on: 2010-03-09 10:25 am
3202 Days, 13 Hrs, 21 Min, 42 Sec ago
Leroy is making me giggle too. Early morning really suks haha
ShadyKnight (Mod) said on: 2010-03-09 01:36 pm
3202 Days, 10 Hrs, 10 Min, 32 Sec ago
Somehow I think this is the wrong place to mention that.
WeaponX (Mod) said on: 2010-03-09 01:37 pm
3202 Days, 10 Hrs, 10 Min, 0 Sec ago
Tracer round through the gas tank Guildy. I'd rather be on the run lol.
Sal said on: 2010-03-09 04:10 pm
3202 Days, 7 Hrs, 36 Min, 45 Sec ago
I'm bulletproof.

Anyway fbg, I hope you had black boyfriends, cause it might hurt.
Space-Monkey said on: 2010-03-09 09:32 pm
3202 Days, 2 Hrs, 15 Min, 5 Sec ago
But are you steroid proof....obviously not
GuildaMage said on: 2010-03-09 11:44 pm
3202 Days, 2 Minutes, 50 Seconds ago
Hes a Jarhead Tony, they dont have the asvab scores to be able to use a tracer round :P

And early mornings will always suck now that FBG is legal. ;]
XSquad said on: 2010-03-10 12:00 pm
3201 Days, 11 Hrs, 46 Min, 29 Sec ago
Happy (late) Birthday Jess!
Bubble_dees said on: 2010-03-10 04:26 pm
3201 Days, 7 Hrs, 21 Min, 1 Sec ago
Happy B-Day Jess!!!
Space-Monkey said on: 2010-03-10 09:20 pm
3201 Days, 2 Hrs, 26 Min, 25 Sec ago
DeltaFlyer13 said on: 2010-03-13 12:21 am
3198 Days, 23 Hrs, 25 Min, 56 Sec ago
InuYasha said on: 2010-03-14 11:46 pm
3197 Days, 20 Seconds ago
Real men don't use guns. Real men use caustic gases.
DrakenRahl said on: 2010-03-15 12:24 am
3196 Days, 23 Hrs, 23 Min, 6 Sec ago
A true man would tickle you to death with his toe hair.

How did this subject get here?? I thought this was something about a birthday or something..
Red (Tester) said on: 2010-03-15 03:27 pm
3196 Days, 8 Hrs, 19 Min, 10 Sec ago
Happy birthday, FBG. :)

Your friend, Red.
Korgrath (Mod) said on: 2010-03-16 07:16 am
3195 Days, 16 Hrs, 31 Min, 4 Sec ago
Wow happy birthday! How time flies huh?
Fbg said on: 2010-03-16 11:43 am
3195 Days, 12 Hrs, 3 Min, 18 Sec ago
I forgot I even posted this. lol. I'm just now checking it.

Thanks for your wierd comments, and for the not so wierd ones.

:) Hey Jaren! Come home!
Space-Monkey said on: 2010-03-16 11:56 am
3195 Days, 11 Hrs, 50 Min, 10 Sec ago
I want to take her innoccents and destroy it!
ShadyKnight (Mod) said on: 2010-03-16 02:40 pm
3195 Days, 9 Hrs, 6 Min, 24 Sec ago
Try the Buzz sauce at any Red Robin's... that stuff gives caustic a new meaning.
InuYasha said on: 2010-03-16 11:45 pm
3195 Days, 1 Minute, 34 Seconds ago
I'll remember that next time I go to a Red Robin.
Jing said on: 2010-03-17 05:01 am
3194 Days, 18 Hrs, 45 Min, 50 Sec ago
What innocence?
LagunaCid said on: 2010-05-03 11:15 pm
3147 Days, 31 Minutes, 43 Seconds ago
I remember when you were a small, innocent, girl. I also feel old.
_ElessaR_ said on: 2010-05-04 10:00 am
3146 Days, 13 Hrs, 46 Min, 34 Sec ago
Why is Fbg innocent?
Stoutn said on: 2010-05-04 08:35 pm
3146 Days, 3 Hrs, 11 Min, 38 Sec ago
She makes us all feel old.
Jing said on: 2010-05-04 10:58 pm
3146 Days, 49 Minutes, 8 Seconds ago
She's 18.
She's NOT old, gosh. Or are you all guys in their mid-thirties? :P

[Added at 05/05/2010 12:17:23 by Jing]
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-05-05 09:46 am
3145 Days, 14 Hrs, 11 Sec ago
im 24....sooo... yea...
Chelly said on: 2010-05-14 03:33 am
3136 Days, 20 Hrs, 13 Min, 34 Sec ago
agreed on the feeling old thing :( happy late late birthday Jess! Come to Canada so I can buy you a drink!
Nataku said on: 2010-05-14 01:17 pm
3136 Days, 10 Hrs, 29 Min, 51 Sec ago
i'm not old, i'm only 14
Fbg said on: 2010-05-20 11:37 am
3130 Days, 12 Hrs, 9 Min, 24 Sec ago
I graduate on the 29th! Oh my god I am so ready I hate my redneck school.

I'm not old. I just hit adulthood.
And who said I had innocense? ;)

SeniorUnloco said on: 2010-05-24 01:41 am
3126 Days, 22 Hrs, 5 Min, 33 Sec ago
29th of???

I leave korea Wensday and have a layover in LAX.
Gemz said on: 2010-05-24 02:20 am
3126 Days, 21 Hrs, 26 Min, 44 Sec ago
this month chuck
MethodMan said on: 2010-06-14 12:56 am
3105 Days, 22 Hrs, 50 Min, 39 Sec ago
hey jess, now that you're legal we should have sex. it's up to you, really, but i think it would be a good time.

also, i'd like to extend a "long time no see" to everyone else!
Gemz said on: 2010-06-16 02:38 am
3103 Days, 21 Hrs, 8 Min, 48 Sec ago
atleast your to the point...
Jing said on: 2010-06-16 06:49 am
3103 Days, 16 Hrs, 57 Min, 59 Sec ago
In more than one ways! :D
TheQuickness said on: 2010-06-17 10:40 pm
3102 Days, 1 Hr, 6 Min, 46 Sec ago
Welcome to the "real world."

Hint: It's just like High School but with more drugs and alcohol.
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-20 09:23 am
3099 Days, 14 Hrs, 23 Min, 41 Sec ago
Wow, it suprising how sad and pathetic the majority of poster's in this thread are. A bunch of obese leg humpers who need to get out, is an apt description of you all.

Once or twice is funny due to the title, but god guys this is sad.
Elmy said on: 2010-06-20 10:21 am
3099 Days, 13 Hrs, 25 Min, 31 Sec ago
Besides Sal and Method... none are really that bad, if even in oriented in that direction at all.

Your post was actually even more predictable than theirs. There is always the one person who says how despicable everyone else is being as if he stands on a higher moral ground.

If you think your morals are higher than another, if you want to be the 'good' person, then that private knowledge to yourself should be enough. By publicizing it, this indicates that you are simply taking that stance to be seen as the good guy and thus are only in it for the image. Self-knowledge is enough, so long as you are not encouraging or perpetrating the incident, you make yourself a better person.
MethodMan said on: 2010-06-20 07:00 pm
3099 Days, 4 Hrs, 46 Min, 50 Sec ago
mine wasn't even that bad because i'm a really attractive boy and usually that's all i have to say to hook up with girls.

ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-20 08:14 pm
3099 Days, 3 Hrs, 32 Min, 59 Sec ago
So your saying someone with the same stance but doesn't say anything is still good?

So when someone is being harassed a good person shouldn't try to stop it? Because then they would just be self-gratification?

When good people stop acting that's when evil takes over.
Mayhap my grammar was and is flawed but I was only calling out the inappropriate posters.

Elm go crawl back in your closet because your logic is flawed, like always, unless I misread you. In which case if I got it wrong and your point is not a flawed one then I may apologize. But good people shouldn't stand to the side ever.

Oh and your post was predictable too if you apply your own paradigm to it, so really shush.

Won't edit I'm on the iPhone to much work.
MethodMan said on: 2010-06-20 08:20 pm
3099 Days, 3 Hrs, 26 Min, 20 Sec ago
i think shadow forgot his sense of humour pills this morning.
Elmy said on: 2010-06-20 08:48 pm
3099 Days, 2 Hrs, 58 Min, 47 Sec ago
My point is that you over exaggerated the situation. There's a difference between being 'good' and wanting to be the 'hero'. The very few comments made in that direction (one of which you posted afterward, Sal's, so you'd already seen it but weren't offended by it at that time I guess?) did not warrant your to the rescue post.

And yes, my post was also predictable. There's always the person who calls out the 'hero wannabe'. While I don't necessarily agree with people standing on the sidelines, I also don't agree with blowing things out of proportion, more so I guess than standing on the sidelines if you put them on a scale. In this case it was just self-gratification. However, I also don't believe there is such a thing as a selfless act so that doesn't really mean much to me. But that's an entirely different argument.

I also couldn't careless about your spelling or grammar, so I'm not sure why you even brought that up.
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-21 09:17 am
3098 Days, 14 Hrs, 30 Min, 6 Sec ago
Lol @ Elm
I brought up my grammar, cause it is lacking.

Your attack of my post was what blew it up nub, my post was not that bad. I'm sure at work, at home etc you will allow these things to happen. But I'm not you. Selfless acts do happen, saying that you don't think they do shows me your mental picture of the world is twisted. Not everyone is out the for glory or money or whatnot, you need to realize there are multiple truths and not everyone will fit onto your skewed paradigm.
Elmy said on: 2010-06-21 06:54 pm
3098 Days, 4 Hrs, 52 Min, 56 Sec ago
There is always a personal reason behind every one of your actions. Whether it is mentally, for yourself only, or for the benefit of others. In order for a truly selfless act to happen, one must be completely selfish. And if you are completely selfish, you will not be committing selfless acts.

If you'd like for me to go into further detail as to why, you should be ready for a lengthy read. It doesn't mean I think any less of people, or that I suspect everyone has an agenda, or that I feel everyone is a selfish brother of mine . This is strictly a philosophical view. If you can understand the most basic logic behind this argument, you will understand why I feel this way.

Did you just learn the word paradigm and felt like you should start using it, or something? I've never even heard anyone type or say that word in a normal sentence, and you've used it twice in 2 posts. What, you look it up after playing FF13 or something? Or maybe because it makes you sound smart? Lulz.

Paradigm it may be. Flawed, hardly. Maybe arguable, but you saying it is flawed is just like saying human nature is perfect.
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-21 07:54 pm
3098 Days, 3 Hrs, 53 Min, 1 Sec ago
Ah elm I know your type of idiot, you think your quite wise and always right and you think you are very lofty and such, but your not.

It's the Internet, your only proving my points. But alas this arguement is not exactly for entry level philosphy is it? I think your a self centered twat, who doesn't think he is self centered due to being able to apply some lofty psuedo philosophical notion to his thinking paradigm. You have yet to mature to be able to truely understand all the points and ramifications of what he is arguing.

I stick to what I know, I've had arguements with people like in philosophical debates. Your kind is hard to teach because you never back down, albeit maybe to a friend whose judgement you trust. But rarely any time else.

Your applying your paradigm to me, life doesn't work like that,, as anyone with any minute amount of philosophical background would know.

Elm go play with Tonka toys or perhaps steal your buddies first year philosophy books if you have any.
Just a side note paradigm is my favourite word I use it alot, but I'll use it more cause it seems to annoy you and your childish intellect.
Elmy said on: 2010-06-21 09:20 pm
3098 Days, 2 Hrs, 26 Min, 59 Sec ago
Hey there's that word again. Seems you picked up 'lofty' along the way, too. Your vocabulary is increasing.

Sadly, you're already wrong on a couple of counts. I was turned to this side of the argument, this viewpoint if you want to call it, by a very convincing essay I read from someone I don't even know that I read online. I ran into it randomly when looking up the subject of 'selfishness'.

Self-centered? Maybe. I do have an obsession with improving myself as a person, mentally and physically. I suppose that would make me a person who is centered upon himself.

The only thing I'm sad about would be that I'm not self-centered enough. Always having to work on discipline and focus... Unfortunately, the very things I'm involved in make it impossible for me to be completely self-centered for now. Maybe later in life.

I'm a little confused, though. By saying my post was also predictable, you pretty much agreed that yours was also, and that it was also the 'hero' post. It seems you're aware of this... hey, 'paradigm,' but argue against it still?

I'm really impressed that you use the word paradigm a lot. Really, I'd be honestly curious to see how you would fit that word into every day conversation.
MethodMan said on: 2010-06-21 11:51 pm
3097 Days, 23 Hrs, 55 Min, 43 Sec ago
guys, there is freshly legal tail running around these forums and you guys are bickering over this?

Stoutn said on: 2010-06-22 07:29 am
3097 Days, 16 Hrs, 17 Min, 59 Sec ago
I don't know about freshly legeal Meth, it's been about 3 months which means she is starting to become ancient...
Fbg said on: 2010-06-22 10:28 am
3097 Days, 13 Hrs, 19 Min, 3 Sec ago
Well thanks Stoutn, I feel my skin wrinkling up already.

Shadow, STFU this is my bday thread GO TO HELL-thank you very much.
I'm not being harassed. These people are all my buddies and just tryin to make a laugh. Especially elmy in his posts I couldn't help but laugh at you.

so just go away. Go play with yourself. Do something.

:) Bye!@!
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-22 10:30 am
3097 Days, 13 Hrs, 16 Min, 54 Sec ago
Here ya go again proving your rudimentary understanding of philosophy. I can acknowledge a point in this case yours and apply your paradigm to it, to say your post is predictable without undermining mine. So just because some unkown author on the web wrote it and it made sense to you, it's right? Hate speeches make sense to zealots you nub, the theory is flawed, attend higher level philosophy arguements to obtain a broader understanding and yes I admit this paradigm could be truth to you, which is what makes it so sad. Oh do please continue attacking my vocabulary, tis is such a courageous and bold move.

Now elm unless your able to articulate a truely intelligent arguement I'm out.

[Added at 06/22/2010 11:34:27 by ShadowLord69]
Meh it's your thread, I'll let you guys do your little dance now. I just called it how I saw it, I'm personally getting sick of stuff like this on the Internet hence my post but whatever.
Elmy said on: 2010-06-22 11:26 am
3097 Days, 12 Hrs, 20 Min, 14 Sec ago
Acknowledging my 'predictable' post automatically undermines yours, since you are agreeing that you see the pattern =.= It's pretty obvious... there's no need to apply any philosophy to that. Although, you clearly have a superior philosophical intellect and education than myself, seeing as that's what you keep falling back on... Your arguments (or lack of?) have so thoroughly demonstrated that...

Yes, some unknown author on the web wrote it. Probably an every day guy like myself who likes to philosophize. Or maybe one like you with a clear higher education on such subjects(lol). People's opinions and viewpoints aren't lowered simply because they're posted online. It was just one of many I read. His was the best articulated, I think, and made the most sense to me. It pretty much eliminated the remaining arguments I had, or close to it, that I was convinced. I read quite a bit, and most of it is philosophical just because I enjoy debates that no one can win.

For example, I've recently taken an interest in the view points that Bruce Lee adapted of life. I've read pretty much everything there is to know about him at this point. I've learned quite a bit about myself from it. I think with a bit more time I would have ended up with his viewpoint, but he was a few years ahead of me. Reading about him also allowed me to learn more about the philosophies he was interested in. It led me to delve deeper into Taoism, Jiddu Krishnamurti, Buddhism... and branching from those, Determinism, Detachment, Cognitive Perspective.

'I'll let you do your little dance...' Tsk... and I thought I was the arrogant one. At least I admit that is a flaw of mine on occasion. There is nothing worse than taking the moral high ground and resulting to hypocrisy.
RecklessPerson said on: 2010-06-22 12:34 pm
3097 Days, 11 Hrs, 12 Min, 49 Sec ago
I thought this was a happy birthday thread....
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-22 01:00 pm
3097 Days, 10 Hrs, 46 Min, 10 Sec ago
Once again elm you fail to understand the points I make, so a rebuttal is not needed. Acknowledgement is not agreement, and if you wish to continue this after fbg pointed out she doesn't mind being degraded in this manner I may continue when I'm off work. Till then re read my points and try to understand, I'm sepersting myself from the problem, I'm taking both sides at once so I can form better arguements.
Elmy said on: 2010-06-22 06:56 pm
3097 Days, 4 Hrs, 50 Min, 19 Sec ago
Lol, I wish you had points to rebute... All of your replies are 'lulz my philosophical education and understanding is clearly greater than yours so I won't bother countering your arguments with anything relevant whatsoever and will just continue to have horrible spelling and grammar and point out the fact that my spelling and grammar sucks for no apparent reason'. You're sort of boring.
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-22 07:41 pm
3097 Days, 4 Hrs, 5 Min, 31 Sec ago
Elm my posts were relevant, but see the thing is I try to close one point before moving on to the next.

Only once I am pretty sure did I decide not to continue explaining myself.

Now my computer crashed so gathering sources from famous philosophers and quoting them to blow you hole riddled arguement out of the water is mire work then I care to undertake. We have digressed from the reasons for arguing to just bs, personally I call it quits since you can't seem to comprehend anything but the drivle your mouth spouts.

My philosophical understanding may or may not be greater then yours, philosophical understanding doesn't have a yard stick one can apply to it. I simply understand things in a way you don't, you need your titles and persons and other 'white collar' type notions. My understanding is different, mostly derived from Aristotle and the Quran, so I can't see us reconciling any points because of where you draw knowledge from.

You call something a rose and I just happen to call the same thing feces. Maybe ante up this essay from this unkown author who makes oh so much sense, cause what you claim I'm doing or have done you have too in your own way.

Oh I don't think I ever claimed not to be arrogant but the fraternity I'm a part of is creating within me a better person who may one day be able to ignore these things but until then I'll still love arguing.
Elmy said on: 2010-06-22 08:30 pm
3097 Days, 3 Hrs, 17 Min, 1 Sec ago
It's amazing that you can make such a large post with, again, no points or counter-argument. Once again you only attack my level of knowledge of philosophical understanding. I don't need to use famous people's quotes to make an argument for myself, so I guess that already makes me one step above you? After researching a subject, I can simply use the knowledge I've learned from both sides.

You admit that you limit your acquisition knowledge to only 2 sources? That's very narrow minded of you. I can pretty safely say you're missing out on a lot.

Arguing doesn't make you a bad person... taking the moral high ground, then being a hypocrite is a lot higher on my scale.

As for the essay? Well, I don't think I could find it again. I just quickly looked for it but couldn't. I did find a post from a person whom I agreed with though, and it's pretty well written. I've pasted it below:

Consider the situation where a mother places herself in danger to save her child. We generally consider this a selfless act since it is seemingly done without regard for one's self. It is an automatic reaction. We reason, I suppose, this is because there is no time for the mother to reason out the dangers to herself, compare them to the dangers for the child, and weigh the benefits to herself. We might argue that, if the mother considered the effects of bereavement on herself if the child died, viewed the situation from the "selfish" perspective of her assessment of personal gain vs loss, we could say she was selfish, but in this situation such consideration was impossible because she had to act, or not, immediately.

I believe this is faulty reasoning.

Permit me to digress for a while. I have observed behavior as a fascinating topic for many years. Let me pick one example to illustrate a point. Consider the scenario when a cup of coffee slips from one's grasp. I have observed the response falls into one of three general categories:
1. The person's hand darts downwards in an attempt the catch the falling cup.
2. The person does not react.
3. The person raises their hand away from the cup.

Personally, I generally do (1), but I am embarrassed to say that on occasion I've been guilty of (3). In all cases, however, my desire was to prevent the coffee from falling. Was that an automatic, and therefore selfless, act? I say not. I believe this reaction was a result of my past experiences, and how I perceive them. That in fact my motivation is selfish. Consider the reasons my experience tells me this event is undesirable:
1. I know if the cup falls, it may break. I lose the cup, and have to pick up the pieces.
2. I know if the cup falls, the coffee will spill. I don't get to drink the coffee, and again have a mess to clean up.
3. I know if the coffee splashes, I might get some on me. This could cause pain, stain my clothing, etc..

That is not an exhaustive treatment, but the point is clear. I have had experience with falling things. I have some idea what will happen, and the results are undesirable to me. My reasons are selfish. I do not want this to happen. I have previously made this conclusion, so when presented with the situation, my reaction is a result of selfish choices, even though I do not have time to evaluate all the variables while the cup is falling. Automatic reaction does not necessarily equate to selflessness therefore. Furthermore, I have never dropped a glass jar of screws, but should this happen, I'm pretty sure I'd try to catch it. It would seem that my reaction to something falling is therefore generalized. The question then is can automatic reaction ever be a selfless act?

I say no. As we develop, we continually make evaluations of experiences and choices about how we might respond. Each time we make a choice, however, we do so in light of what is important to us; who do we want to be, what is our self image and how do we conform our decisions to fit that image. All of this is necessarily about self, and hence must be defined as selfish.

The word, unfortunately, carries a negative stigma, and so we resist this concept. We might prefer to consider ourselves as being at least a little noble, or charitable, or for some perhaps fearsome, dangerous, is their desired self image. But in all cases, the judgments we make for ourselves must be in the context of ourselves. Selfishness is a natural and neutral condition, but people have confused this word with the behaviors which result from the choices we make during this process.

The process is neutral, our choices are not.

Consider: The mother once again rescuing her child, compared to a mugger opportunistically killing a passerby for $20. Are these actions the same? I feel it safe to say the common response will be "of course not". So does that contradict my assertion that both actions are selfish?

I think not. This situation highlights what I believe is a confusion between process and result. The mother has gone through the process of selecting what is consistent with her self image; perhaps nurturing, protective, and the like are the priorities she has chosen. She chooses responses which promote these perceived attributes. This is what she wants, this is about self; this is a selfish (and neutral) process. The result is that her behavior is such that many perceive her as noble, brave, etc. The mugger goes through the exact same, selfish process, and his choices too are based on his self image. The choice of self image for him, however, is very different. He is selecting responses by the same process, it is only that his criteria is such that his behavior in this example is judged "evil" by most people.

All behavior is selfish because our behavior is driven by who we are, and who we are is a long and complex process of choosing, and these choices must be made consistent with what we want for ourselves, how we wish to be perceived even if only in our own eyes! The criteria for these choices is what others indirectly judge. I say "indirectly" because it is the manifestation of the sum of these choices in our behavior that others see. And this judgment is necessarily subjective.

Take a soldier in battle. It can be taken as a given that he has made decisions, made choices, about himself, and these choices result in behavior. When he shoots and kills an enemy, it is because of his choices. If you might argue he may have been compelled to these actions, I would counter that he nevertheless made choices. It may be that he was persuaded to change his criteria, or perhaps he had no strong basis for such decisions to begin with. He could even refuse (and choose instead to face the consequences). Circumstances may provide justifications for making different choices, but he still chooses to pull the trigger. In this case, his criteria may be a balancing of his imperative not to kill against his perception of the need to do it anyway. It is still his choice.

But I digress again. The point is that a process was gone through by the soldier to evaluate what he would do. The criteria he used may be unique to him in some degree, but the process itself (evaluating against his self image) is the same as for everyone. I am laboring to distinguish between a process which is inherently neutral and selfish, and the purpose to which each of us employs this process.

Some may perceive him as brave, doing his duty, even heroic. Others however might consider him a murderer, a coward who was only saving his own life, and so on. Perception is therefore subjective. But our judgments of his actions should not be a judgment of the mechanical process (we all share) which through his choices lead to those actions.

This leads me to a concept I developed a long time ago. The emotions we have are also neutral; neither good nor bad, yet often they take on inappropriate stigma just like "selfish".

Consider Pride for example. This often carries some negative connotations. Yet I say it is neutral. Pride may manifest itself as arrogance, vanity, superiority; attributes most see as "bad". It can also manifest itself as ethics, honesty, reliability; things most would admire. Also, there are grey areas. What of a person who always dresses immaculately? Some may label this as vanity (with negative intent), while others may see it as respect (for themselves, for their associates; with positive intent). The emotion itself is neutral; the manifestation of it is not, but is judged good or bad subjectively. I believe this holds true for all the emotions.

Pride, anger, envy, etc., are labels we use to group types of behavior into categories and to refer to these in conversation. Once again, we must not confuse a name with perceived results. They are two different things. Just as selfish processes are not the same thing as how our behavior is perceived.

To summarize. All of our character is evolved from our sense of self; the choices we make that conform to our self-image, hence our motives are definitively selfish. "Selfish" is inappropriately applied as a judgment of behavior. It is comparable to saying a gallon of milk is 10mph. There is no direct relationship of the terms. Under specific circumstances, we could say a gallon of milk moves at 10mph. "Selfish" in our context is an adjective describing a process of self, and under specific circumstances a relationship to behavior can be made, but "selfish" describes a mechanism, concepts of good and bad describe behavior. They are very different terms.

Coming back a last time to our mother. Let's escalate things by saying it is a total stranger she rescues. If asked why she did it, she might reply she didn't have time to think, she just reacted. If pressed, she might add that it was as simple as seeing someone in need, and answering that need. I would append to her statement, "...because that is the type of person she wants to be". It is a selfish motivation. It is only that we almost universally misapply the term such that it takes on a negative stigma. Being aware of that, if I witnessed the above act, and was interviewed and asked what I thought about her motives, I certainly wouldn't include "selfish" in my reply. I would consider her most heroic, and say so.

I assert that the processes by which she defined herself are selfish by definition. To me, that is devoid of any qualitative judgment. What I found heroic was a result of the sum of her choices which manifested in her actions. It tells me something about the criteria she used in making her choices; what sort of person she wants to be. And because I have some of the same criteria, I admire her actions.

I think if people could get their heads around this concept, there would be more tolerance about different ideas.
Fbg said on: 2010-06-22 08:44 pm
3097 Days, 3 Hrs, 2 Min, 43 Sec ago
Wow. Ya'll are getting into this.

And shadow, if I was being "degraded" in my bday post, and took it offensivly, I would let someone know, and I'm sure Jaren would too. If it was serious he would have already said something. And if you didn't know Jaren is "Gemz", my brother.

So stay out of people's business and quit assuming things. The only way you should have pointed something out is if I wrote a post being offended about it. This is my thread about a bday.

If you want to continue talking about whatever the hell ya'll are talking about, do it in the NN messaging system or make another thread about it bc I'm tired of reading about bull crap that has nothing to do with my bday.

Oh yeah, I put in MY thread that I was legal now. I was assuming there would be weird comments bc it's been a joke since I was 13-14 years old when I entered this site. So screw off and go somewhere else please. you're annoying me.

Happy Birthday to me!! :) I'm legal now. That means anyone can say what they want except for people who want to ruin the f-ing thread.

ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-22 09:09 pm
3097 Days, 2 Hrs, 38 Min, 0 Sec ago
Thanks for the post elm, I will read it and get back to you.

I haven't limited myself to two sources, it's just those two sources I know the best and like the most. I didn't mean to convey otherwise.

Until now I haven't seen anything I've needed to rebut, your mental paradigm thinks everything should be argued mine doesn't need to.

Fbg quickly after you told me to go to hell I stopped caring about what you say. Sorry but every female I know I've posed this question a couple times wouldn't welcome these comments from male friends, they did make reservations mostly saying unless they were sluts lol. Don't worry Jess I know Jaren is supposed to be your brother and on the armed forces and your supposed to be an 18 yr old female, but this is the Internet.

@Elm I'll try to rebut more things for you, but doing anything except the type of posts I have been making are hard on the phone and I use quotes from famous philosopher's cause they tend to lend weight and credit to my arguements and you have stuff to check out to see it in other contexts too and see if I'm making it up on the spot or have learnt it.

I really have no hard feelings towards elm, I've been meaning to make this an actual intelligent arguement more or less, cause I love it. But you fbg annoyed me more with your original post than all of his, generally speaking when someone acts how I do you just tell them your fine with it and they stop, you didn't, so now I get to hijack your thread and annoy you like elm hijacked corey's thread
Fbg said on: 2010-06-22 09:14 pm
3097 Days, 2 Hrs, 32 Min, 48 Sec ago
I'm sorry I think your grammar sucks and you're going to have to re-write that whole post cause I didn't understand it. Now I know why you keep bringing that up. You should put it in your siggy :)

[Added at 06/22/2010 22:19:46 by Fbg]
Oh try not to use big words cause you don't use them well
Elmy said on: 2010-06-22 09:43 pm
3097 Days, 2 Hrs, 3 Min, 44 Sec ago
Huh? What thread did I hijack? I don't think I've even posted anything except in this.
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-22 09:45 pm
3097 Days, 2 Hrs, 1 Min, 27 Sec ago
Fbg - I like getting even :)

Elm - over in nations you and Tina hijacked Corey average rank thread
Fbg said on: 2010-06-22 09:49 pm
3097 Days, 1 Hr, 57 Min, 20 Sec ago
ok well how you gonna do that by not speaking correct english to where I can reply? lol... you suckkkk.

I'm not a slut by the way, but thank you for implying that I am. You are so freakin' sweet.
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-22 10:49 pm
3097 Days, 57 Minutes, 15 Seconds ago
Ah your a liar, but we kinda knew you were eh?
MethodMan said on: 2010-06-23 12:43 am
3096 Days, 23 Hrs, 3 Min, 29 Sec ago
i just want to go on the record and say that i revived this bad boy and started this whole shizstorm.

i come back for one day and i'm already tearing it up. i rule.
Fbg said on: 2010-06-23 11:25 am
3096 Days, 12 Hrs, 21 Min, 55 Sec ago
Ok. I don't really care what you think about me cause it's the INTERNET like you said so yourself. And you're contradicting yourself saying you hate things like this on the internet, yet you're the one who is continuing to make it worse AND you're calling people names on the internet. Bravo!! New award goes to ShadowLord for being a Douche Bag!!

So anyway. I don't come on this thread to be mad at you, I come here to have a little entertainment reading and replying to your stupid posts. :)

Anyway, I'm off to have a life. Feel free to say something else to try and piss me off. :) I don't mind

Oh Spencer, you didn't start it. I read your first post and laughed. But apparently shadowlord had to feel like he was my "protector" and say something about it haha. :)
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-23 11:43 am
3096 Days, 12 Hrs, 3 Min, 44 Sec ago
Actually kiddo, I'm not contradicting myself I hate sex trolling, trolling in general is fun. But I wouldn't say calling you a liar is name it is more like a title. Just cause you say something is so, doesn't make it so.

You know generally speaking if something doesn't bug you don't rant about it :)
Fbg said on: 2010-06-23 11:50 am
3096 Days, 11 Hrs, 56 Min, 23 Sec ago
I get enjoyment out of it. :)

And why do you keep saying I'm a liar? I haven't firgured out that one yet.
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-23 12:05 pm
3096 Days, 11 Hrs, 42 Min, 3 Sec ago
Cause you claimed not to understand something, when you clearly did. :P
Fbg said on: 2010-06-23 12:08 pm
3096 Days, 11 Hrs, 38 Min, 38 Sec ago
Because I asked elm to translate it for me. hahaha
RecklessPerson said on: 2010-06-23 04:36 pm
3096 Days, 7 Hrs, 10 Min, 23 Sec ago
Everyone look over there! It's a kitty. Awe it's so cute.
Jing said on: 2010-06-23 06:06 pm
3096 Days, 5 Hrs, 41 Min, 1 Sec ago
I don't think that's a kitty... I say it's more like a very small tiger.
Fbg said on: 2010-06-23 06:19 pm
3096 Days, 5 Hrs, 27 Min, 26 Sec ago
Ooohhh subject change I like it.

What's everyones favorite kind of pet?

I like a maltese puppy if you ask me...
Ayanami said on: 2010-06-24 11:43 pm
3095 Days, 3 Minutes, 18 Seconds ago
Desideo said on: 2010-06-25 12:02 am
3094 Days, 23 Hrs, 44 Min, 16 Sec ago
This whole thread is predictable.

I understand the point given about the selfishness philosophy, but whether my actions are "Technically this" or "Technically that", in the end, I do what I feel is right, no need to think about the infinite aspects of the action. We can all sit and think about and consider the never-ending views, philosophies, and possibilities of the world, and that is not wrong, but there comes a time when simplicity serves us best.

Go out and get a tan. If you don't have a woman, go get one. Just make sure you live life and have fun.
Jing said on: 2010-06-25 08:51 am
3094 Days, 14 Hrs, 55 Min, 47 Sec ago
Ooooon a lighter note, I just saw this picture and it made me think of this thread.
If I had Blake's uber picture posting p0wz0rs, I'd use it for this, but since I do not, here's a late pony dedicated to your maturity into adulthood, Jess!
Elmy said on: 2010-06-25 04:32 pm
3094 Days, 7 Hrs, 14 Min, 43 Sec ago
Ooh.. the life card. What an unexpected turn of events.
Fbg said on: 2010-06-25 10:00 pm
3094 Days, 1 Hr, 46 Min, 41 Sec ago
that was funny as hell, jing!! haha i love it
Red (Tester) said on: 2010-06-26 09:44 am
3093 Days, 14 Hrs, 2 Min, 50 Sec ago
I am confused. Skimming all this, all I realized is that Shadow doesn't know anything and is probably googling things to say while Elm is buying into an idiot and wasting his time.

And what's this about hijacking threads. Since when are threads on a forum hijack prone? lol?

Happy bday from months ago Fbg. :)
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-26 10:28 am
3093 Days, 13 Hrs, 18 Min, 13 Sec ago
I don't use google on the iPhone and all my responses were made on the iPhone since my computer crashed. Everything I've said I know, but nothing I've said has needed to be googled.

Now red they have derailed the thread from an arguement and I'm content to let yhat be cause I really don't have the time in my life to have a truely intelligent discussion with elm.
NN is amusement to me, if elm and I were to go to coffee I believe we could have a good chat.

Oh and but to reply to you so you understand "your lesbian on the rag go cry"

@Elm I read the first paragraph and sideo's post and gathered that your post has to do with scripting. That no person is truelly selfless due to the fact they have been programmed to react in such ways. If I'm correct in that then my rebuttal would probably be something to the tune of... The selfless action comes first and the realization and justification come after. Everyone's first action or reaction would be selfless or to save the child, in a pure state of mind and all other inactions or actions come from societal scripting.

But as I said I haven't read the post, oh and if anyone doubts this is me look at my syntax/grammar/etc it's all consistent I'd say lol
Elmy said on: 2010-06-26 02:01 pm
3093 Days, 9 Hrs, 45 Min, 28 Sec ago
You should probably read it before trying to rebut points with arguments that have already been countered.

Red; he's hardly said anything. I'd be disappointed if that's all Google could come up with.
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-06-26 07:39 pm
3093 Days, 4 Hrs, 7 Min, 12 Sec ago
Ok will do, but just font expect a response to soon. I need to wait for a day when the fiancé is at work and I have down time. Because I expect a rebuttal to this will need work and thought.
Nataku said on: 2010-06-27 12:32 pm
3092 Days, 11 Hrs, 14 Min, 38 Sec ago
who here likes music
Fbg said on: 2010-06-27 08:36 pm
3092 Days, 3 Hrs, 11 Min, 6 Sec ago
I do!
Cap4 said on: 2010-07-02 08:13 pm
3087 Days, 3 Hrs, 33 Min, 26 Sec ago
You'll be saying ShamWOOOOWW!
Jing said on: 2010-07-02 10:32 pm
3087 Days, 1 Hr, 14 Min, 31 Sec ago
You know the Germans always make good stuff.
DivineDragon said on: 2010-07-03 11:52 am
3086 Days, 11 Hrs, 54 Min, 42 Sec ago
I think such an occasion demands me to post something.

Fbg - Happy ridiculously late birthday. I’m sure you understand due to the fact I’m never on NN anymore. If you’re ever in Istanbul, Turkey, let me know and I’ll buy you a drink! :D

Recky - ZOMG kitty! =D

Fbg(again) - I actually like Capuchin Monkeys.

Shadow - You are quite possibly the most retarded person I have ever had the displeasure of meeting, in a sense. First off, you picked a fight with elm. Secondly you insulted Fbg, which in most states is punishable by Gemz eating your soul, or shooting you depending on range.

Jing – That picture disturbs me.

Everyone else – Hi, long time no see! It’s been great, see you in about another year!

[Added at 07/03/2010 12:56:32 by DivineDragon]
Jaren - I got promoted to Sergeant two days ago man! Kinda curious what you’re sitting at... Give me a call/text/email/carrier pigeon, as it’s been far too long brother.
DrakenRahl said on: 2010-07-04 03:09 pm
3085 Days, 8 Hrs, 37 Min, 21 Sec ago
Guess who can't believe this thread is still alive?
ShadowLord69 said on: 2010-07-05 06:25 pm
3084 Days, 5 Hrs, 22 Min, 6 Sec ago
Lol @ divine dragon

FBG admitted to doing what I said she was doing and for the other, I view her like that, what's the problem with that?

Elm is only human, maybe if I was picking a fight with Allah then you'd have grounds.

@elm this is what I meant by victory dance and I know I'm arrogant, I'm actually working on fixing that particular trait.
RecklessPerson said on: 2010-07-06 04:20 pm
3083 Days, 7 Hrs, 26 Min, 14 Sec ago
I was completely shocked by the kitty, especially when I noticed it was eat a cheezburger.

[Added at 07/06/2010 17:21:23 by RecklessPerson]
Ayanami said on: 2010-07-08 02:05 am
3081 Days, 21 Hrs, 41 Min, 33 Sec ago
hey hey it's caturday!

elm's probably right tl;dr
Fbg said on: 2010-07-09 10:23 am
3080 Days, 13 Hrs, 24 Min, 0 Sec ago
Aww thanks DD and it is ok that you're late. By 4 months haha! Jaren (gemz) dont come around often so he might no see this til later. I can't wait til he does this whole thread is hilarious.

Hey shadow!! Guess what?? I'm legal now!! And I'm a whore! What you think abt that??

@ everyone else. I'm on my way to college!!!! hellzz yeahh
DivineDragon said on: 2010-07-10 03:25 am
3079 Days, 20 Hrs, 21 Min, 45 Sec ago
Your welcome!

Well, when he does come back tell him I’m lurking around NN to talk to him, if you would be so kind. As for college have fun, quite possibly the best time of my life!!!! :)
Pixie said on: 2010-08-08 05:01 am
3050 Days, 18 Hrs, 45 Min, 26 Sec ago

Happy birthday and it's half way til your next one :P...

I didn't waste my time reading the crap but my fav. pet is Jewels my little dog :P
Jing said on: 2010-08-08 05:26 am
3050 Days, 18 Hrs, 20 Min, 44 Sec ago
Jesus H Christ...
This may be the only birthday thread that lasted this long and have so much controversy...
DivineDragon said on: 2010-08-08 05:46 am
3050 Days, 18 Hrs, 40 Sec ago
152 days.... ROFL!
Fbg said on: 2010-08-26 01:08 pm
3032 Days, 10 Hrs, 38 Min, 40 Sec ago
Nice. My birthday is just so amusing apparently lol.
About 6 1/2 months until my next one. We should keep this one going so I don't have to make another :)
Stoutn said on: 2010-08-27 09:53 am
3031 Days, 13 Hrs, 53 Min, 39 Sec ago
171 days and counting lol

At this rate you wont have to make a 19th birthday thread but it will lead to this one finally dying as you are no longer 18 ;)
DivineDragon said on: 2010-08-27 12:50 pm
3031 Days, 10 Hrs, 56 Min, 41 Sec ago
Thats just being lazy... But given the state of NN, very true...
Nataku said on: 2010-09-12 06:47 pm
3015 Days, 4 Hrs, 59 Min, 34 Sec ago
who here likes pie
Jing said on: 2010-09-12 09:42 pm
3015 Days, 2 Hrs, 4 Min, 45 Sec ago
Looks like you have a fan.
Elmy said on: 2010-09-13 02:02 pm
3014 Days, 9 Hrs, 44 Min, 10 Sec ago
I will not allow it.
_ElessaR_ said on: 2010-09-14 09:46 am
3013 Days, 14 Hrs, 34 Sec ago
Yesterday I saw Jess holding hands with Tom Cruise.
Fbg said on: 2010-09-14 09:40 pm
3013 Days, 2 Hrs, 6 Min, 28 Sec ago
I think he is shorter than I am, and I'm only 5'3 1/2'' haha. Tom Cruise is short.
_ElessaR_ said on: 2010-09-15 01:51 am
3012 Days, 21 Hrs, 55 Min, 54 Sec ago
I also saw Jess sitting on Nataku's lap =P
Fbg said on: 2010-10-04 01:43 pm
2993 Days, 10 Hrs, 3 Min, 10 Sec ago
Yeahhh... Because that totally happened.
Stoutn said on: 2010-10-04 01:54 pm
2993 Days, 9 Hrs, 53 Min, 2 Sec ago
She freely admits it...
Elmy said on: 2010-10-04 02:38 pm
2993 Days, 9 Hrs, 8 Min, 22 Sec ago
It was actually my lap. I can see how you guys would make that mistake, though.
PhreakZilla said on: 2010-10-04 05:32 pm
2993 Days, 6 Hrs, 14 Min, 9 Sec ago
It's an collection of people, how I used to enjoy this on game aspect.
Blackfire1 said on: 2010-10-05 11:54 pm
2991 Days, 23 Hrs, 52 Min, 58 Sec ago
I was drinking a coke while reading this thread. You would have thought I learned my lesson the after the first two times I sprayed the monitor, but noooo!

Happy half birthday (and then some) FBG! I think our birthdays are pretty darn close. Mine's November of '91
Nataku said on: 2010-10-07 02:32 pm
2990 Days, 9 Hrs, 14 Min, 40 Sec ago
i got a lapdance from fbj

[Added at 10/08/2010 10:50:38 by Nataku]
also, who likes darn pie
Ayanami said on: 2010-10-09 03:09 pm
2988 Days, 8 Hrs, 38 Min, 8 Sec ago
i saw a saw
Space-Monkey said on: 2010-10-11 03:10 am
2986 Days, 20 Hrs, 36 Min, 10 Sec ago
how did we get off the "getting fbg off" topic?


I like to move it
_ElessaR_ said on: 2010-10-11 06:43 am
2986 Days, 17 Hrs, 3 Min, 46 Sec ago
Nat, its Fbg. I know Fbj sounds more exciting to you, but come on dude, Gemz will kill you :P